The Trump implosion thread!

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Trump is correct, you cannot survive in the USA in modern times without an ID.

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“Tampa rally, live coverage,” wrote “Dan,” posting a link to President Trump’s Tampa speech in a thread on 8chan, an anonymous image board also known as Infinitechan or Infinitychan, which might be best described as the unglued twin of better-known 4chan, a message board already untethered from reality.

The thread invited “requests to Q,” an anonymous user claiming to be a government agent with top security clearance, waging war against the so-called deep state in service to the 45th president. “Q” feeds disciples, or “bakers,” scraps of intelligence, or “bread crumbs,” that they scramble to bake into an understanding of the “storm,” the community’s term — drawn from Trump’s cryptic reference last year to “the calm before the storm” — for the president’s final conquest over elites, globalists and deep-state saboteurs.

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Believers in “QAnon,” as the conspiracy theory is known, were front and center at the Florida State Fairgrounds Expo Hall, where Trump came to stump for Republican candidates. As the president spoke, a sign rose from the audience. “We are Q,” it read. Another poster displayed text arranged in a “Q” pattern: “Where we go one we go all.”

The symbol appeared on clothing, too. A man and a woman wore matching white T-shirts with the YouTube logo encircled in a blue “Q.” The video-sharing website came under criticism this week for unwittingly becoming a platform for baseless claims, first promoted on Twitter and Reddit by QAnon believers, that certain Hollywood celebrities are pedophiles. A search for one of those celebrities’ names on Monday returned videos purporting to show his victims sharing their stories.

The prominence of the “Q” symbol turned parts of the audience into a tableau of delusion and paranoia — and offered stark evidence that QAnon, an outgrowth of the #Pizzagate conspiracy theory that led a gunman to open fire in a D.C. restaurant last year, has leaped from Internet message boards to the president’s “Make America Great Again” tour through America.

“Pray Trump mentions Q!” one user wrote on 8chan. He didn’t need to. As hazy corners of the Internet buzzed about the president’s speech, his appearance became a real-life show of force for the community that has mostly operated behind the veil of anonymity on

Quote: AZDuffman

What you have to understand is that liberals in the USA think that minorities are not intelligent enough to figure out how to get a form of ID. This is their rationale for being against requiring it.

Trump is correct, you cannot survive in the USA in modern times without an ID. You need one to get a regular job or to open a bank account. That is the two most basic things. The full list is long. A person would have to be a homeless hermit living by begging on the street not to have an ID. But we still hear from liberals how many minorities just do not have one and are not intelligent enough to get one. They never mention anyone but minorities not having ID for some reason.

Vote fraud is very possible without ID and with the other favorite thing of the left, same day registration. There have been cases of a busload of minorities showing up to a poll a few minutes before closing, demanding to vote. Sometimes having just a utility bill as "proof of ID." Yes, they can somehow manage to get a busload of people to the polls, but they cannot teach them to get an ID or register on time. Sometimes these cases go to an "emergency" hearing to let the people vote or not. In most polls the standard always was if you got in line before closing time you could vote, but they figuratively "closed the door" at closing time so people could not just keep showing up. The leaders of the busloads would often tell the poor pollworkers they might be sued personally if they "don't let these people vote."

Clean elections really require a registration cutoff of a few weeks before the election and showing ID when you actually get there. Neither is hard for a grown-up to meet. The only real reason to be against them is to promote election fraud. A few people have been caught, one voting for Obama like 5 or 6 times. But we keep hearing the cry of "disenfranchisement" because people refuse to act like adults and register then show their ID. The USA can be a weird place, I can imagine no other country where this would play.

EDIT: Names of non-US citizens increasingly found on voter rolls.

Quote: Aussie

Ok so are there places where you can vote without ID or not? Seem to be getting conflicting answers here. By ID I mean some government issued document that proves you are a citizen? What is the minimum requirement to vote? You mentioned utility bill. Ok great that proves you live somewhere, doesn’t prove citizenship (or that it’s really you for that matter)..

Quote: rxwine

Hey terapined this was in your neck of the woods.

Quote: Aussie

Ok so are there places where you can vote without ID or not? Seem to be getting conflicting answers here. By ID I mean some government issued document that proves you are a citizen? What is the minimum requirement to vote? You mentioned utility bill. Ok great that proves you live somewhere, doesn’t prove citizenship (or that it’s really you for that matter).

Quote: Aussie

Ok so are there places where you can vote without ID or not? Seem to be getting conflicting answers here. By ID I mean some government issued document that proves you are a citizen? What is the minimum requirement to vote? You mentioned utility bill. Ok great that proves you live somewhere, doesn’t prove citizenship (or that it’s really you for that matter).

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The problem with a cutoff date for registration is that people who intend not to vote may change their mind last minute. Not sure you should be depriving people of that right. I think you just need more stringent regulations around the proof of eligibility. Stringent in what needs to be provided but also give plenty of assistance to people trying to provide it.

Quote: rxwine

I do believe conservatives aren't clever enough to prove much of anything especially when it is not true.

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And yet the last time I actually walked in the door of my bank was over 20 years ago. They haven't seen my Id, just my login. I could travel around the city I live in for years just riding the bus with no Id. Grocery stores still take cash. A retirement or disability pension comes automatically each month. Elders and young folks and disabled people sometimes live as dependents for years with family. Family takes care of the few id needs.

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Convenience is a favorite of many groups of people. Early voting is supposedly only favored for voter fraud. Not true.

Quote: terapined

The last time I saw trump in Tampa was at the massive convention center in downtown Tampa

Quote: reno

I had no idea that Tampa had so many followers of QAnon!