The Holy Trinity

Quote: FrGamble

that has in any way pointed to atheism or against God?

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I don't know anyone who wants to believe exorcism is real,.

Quote: Evenbob

LOLOLOL!! Yeah, that's why men like Einstein
and Asimov said they'll believe in god just
as soon as real evidence presents itself.

Your comical use of axioms as facts never
ceases to amuse. When in doubt, just talk
out your anal canal like you really mean
business and you can fool a lot of people.
Not Einstein or Asimov, of course, but people
who don't really matter in the scheme of
things.

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How so. They have far more in common
than not. They're both religious icons.
They both keep lists on the good and
bad people. They both reward the good
people and punish the bad. (lump of coal
in stocking). They're both male. They're
both fairy tales meant to give comfort
to children. How is that in any way
'ludicrous'. Oh yeah, they both have
white beards.

Quote: Evenbob

They point to neither, they point to
science. Nothing can point to god,
there is no god to point to. Atheism
is not a 'thing', it's a no-thing, what
could possibly point to it. It's like
something pointing to not collecting
stamps. Impossible.

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The Amazing Randi offered a million to
anybody who could prove demonic
possession was real. He still has the
million. In fact, he did some exorcism's
himself using the same techniques
exorcists of the Church use, applied
psychology. He was successful every
time.

Quote: FrGamble

The problem you have with both your posts is that no one expects and common sense does not dictate that an invisible undetectable dinosaur or a talking dog exist. Simple logic already determines that contingent beings and things that do not have the reason or cause of their existence in themselves depend on something for their being, hence their contingency. This obviously cannot lead to an actual infinite regress where it is turtles all the way down. For anything to exist and for there to be a present, a past, and a future there needs to be a foundation where some non-contingent being or force who has the reason for its being and all of existence in itself. We can know more about this being from logic and reason; it is all-powerful, spiritual (because all material things are contingent), and eternal. We can guess that this being based on creation is intelligent and loving (from the beauty of creation and its ability to create life on Earth and us, thinking and rational beings).

You might find it easier to think of something a little less abstract. We know that if something is moving or moves a force has acted upon it. And that force was caused by something else to cause it to move, and so forth and so forth until we arrive necessarily at an unmoved mover that began all motion, this we commonly refer to as God.

So I think you can see that we don't have to wait for a talking dog because nothing points clearly that it exists. Everything points to the existence of "God" who has revealed Himself, I believe in Jesus Christ whose roar still echos, who became man to save us, and who left his footprint for all of us to see.

Quote: FrGamble

This is what we call the textbook logical fallacy of appeal to authority.

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I don't think that anything you mentioned above can be applied to God. .

Quote: FrGamble

What does pointing to science mean?

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and anyone who collects stamps is just making it up.

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Can you link to when Randi performed an exorcism?

Quote: aceofspades

Padre - God “exists” because you say it does - there is no proof -

Quote: aceofspades

Padre - God “exists” because you say it does - there is no proof - if I think talking docs exist then - to me - they exist