I need you to come into work this weekend

April 8th, 2019 at 5:37:30 AM permalink
aceofspades
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Quote: SOOPOO
This brings back some bad memories. I was OR director and anesthesia chief at a previous hospital. I watched two separate nursing OR chiefs fired and escorted out by security. These were good people who were just being replaced as often happens in these jobs. It was so bad for the remaining personnel's morale. At one point the long time secretary of the department (still a friend of mine to this day) was being terminated in a cost cutting move, and was about to be subject to the perp walk. I prevented it and told the higher ups I would walk with her and help her get her personal things. They at least allowed me.
In their defense, there was an employee terminated that destroyed a bunch of computer equipment and did some sabotage as well, exactly what I am not sure.

Anyway, I recommend not quitting until you have another job lined up. And I definitely would give whatever notice your contract requires, not a day less. As someone who hires professionals, I can assure you that finding out someone broke a contract is a huge red flag.

To me two weeks is a big nothing. My last job I had to give 3 months, and I did so. It wasn't pleasant being there but I did my job and I think it served me well to stay.


There is no contract
Additionally, NY is an "at will employment" state -- they could fire me without notice for wearing the wrong shade of blue one day - and I can walk out without notice at all should I choose
April 8th, 2019 at 5:49:32 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: SOOPOO
This brings back some bad memories. I was OR director and anesthesia chief at a previous hospital. I watched two separate nursing OR chiefs fired and escorted out by security. These were good people who were just being replaced as often happens in these jobs. It was so bad for the remaining personnel's morale. At one point the long time secretary of the department (still a friend of mine to this day) was being terminated in a cost cutting move, and was about to be subject to the perp walk. I prevented it and told the higher ups I would walk with her and help her get her personal things. They at least allowed me.
In their defense, there was an employee terminated that destroyed a bunch of computer equipment and did some sabotage as well, exactly what I am not sure.


I was at a place once where they generally perp walked anyone out on their last day. Just for good business. When I left I actually asked if I had to be escorted out. Just said, "No, have a nice day!" Felt half let down. That boss lady was nice, but an emotional wreck.
The President is a fink.
April 8th, 2019 at 7:21:08 AM permalink
aceofspades
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OK wrench in the works

Clients arrived while he was with his assistant so he is meeting with them
Apparently, he tweaked his back and is going to the doctor's as soon as the client's leave his office and then home for the day

Should I forego telling him verbally and just write a letter and attach it to an email? Otherwise, I will not be able to speak with him until tomorrow UGHHHHHHH!!!
April 8th, 2019 at 7:32:36 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: aceofspades
OK wrench in the works

Clients arrived while he was with his assistant so he is meeting with them
Apparently, he tweaked his back and is going to the doctor's as soon as the client's leave his office and then home for the day

Should I forego telling him verbally and just write a letter and attach it to an email? Otherwise, I will not be able to speak with him until tomorrow UGHHHHHHH!!!


Tough the day out.
The President is a fink.
April 8th, 2019 at 9:34:59 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: aceofspades
There is no contract
Additionally, NY is an "at will employment" state -- they could fire me without notice for wearing the wrong shade of blue one day - and I can walk out without notice at all should I choose


I live in NY. I have a contract that specifically states that I can be terminated without cause after being given 90 days notice. I can be terminated by cause (losing my Medical license, convicted of a felony, losing DEA number, etc...) with no notice. In the contract it also states I can leave by giving 90 days notice. I am aware that there really is nothing they can do to me if I leave before the 90 days.
My point is just that any future employer WILL contact your last employer, and I would not give them the "he left without giving notice" card to play.
I am surprised a lawyer would take a job without a contract, that is NOT common in the medical field. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought BECAUSE NY is an "at will" employment state, you NEED a contract to protect you from the immediate termination?
April 8th, 2019 at 10:06:27 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: SOOPOO

I am surprised a lawyer would take a job without a contract, that is NOT common in the medical field. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought BECAUSE NY is an "at will" employment state, you NEED a contract to protect you from the immediate termination?


Except for people at very high levels, by that I mean 7 figures or/and officers, I doubt any of those contracts are worth the paper they are written on.
The President is a fink.
April 8th, 2019 at 10:51:59 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: aceofspades
OK wrench in the works

Clients arrived while he was with his assistant so he is meeting with them
Apparently, he tweaked his back and is going to the doctor's as soon as the client's leave his office and then home for the day

Should I forego telling him verbally and just write a letter and attach it to an email? Otherwise, I will not be able to speak with him until tomorrow UGHHHHHHH!!!


Yes, write the letter and apologize that you weren't able to do it in person but will gladly speak with him tomorrow if he would like. Once you start procrastinating you will continue to.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
April 8th, 2019 at 11:33:36 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: aceofspades
I will not be able to speak with him until tomorrow UGHHHHHHH!!!


If you haven't been hired somewhere
else, this is a big mistake. You'll see.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 8th, 2019 at 12:16:45 PM permalink
AcesAndEights
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I have left jobs without something lined up. However, I had a lot of money saved up in those circumstances.

But I can see where you're coming from. Ideally you would have something lined up for sure, but if the job is literally impacting your health in a negative way (and it sounds like it is), it might be the best move just to get out.

Trying to squeeze in interviews while still working full time is definitely a pain in the ass. I went through that with my last job change.
"You think I'm joking." -EvenBob
April 8th, 2019 at 1:02:04 PM permalink
aceofspades
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: SOOPOO
I live in NY. I have a contract that specifically states that I can be terminated without cause after being given 90 days notice. I can be terminated by cause (losing my Medical license, convicted of a felony, losing DEA number, etc...) with no notice. In the contract it also states I can leave by giving 90 days notice. I am aware that there really is nothing they can do to me if I leave before the 90 days.
My point is just that any future employer WILL contact your last employer, and I would not give them the "he left without giving notice" card to play.
I am surprised a lawyer would take a job without a contract, that is NOT common in the medical field. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought BECAUSE NY is an "at will" employment state, you NEED a contract to protect you from the immediate termination?



Unless you are an equity partner in a law firm, nobody is working under an employment contract

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