The Gay Thread

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We have people arguing only parents can act in the best interests of their children regardless of what the state or anyone else says.

But that doesn't mean one side wins.

That means parents can deny medical care of any kind they deem inappropriate like blood transfusions for Jehovah Witnesses children. Or Evangelicals who believe their curable sick child will be cured by god and shouldn't be taken to a hospital. Or parents who refuse vaccinations.

Or a parent can operate on gender or not operate. Or decide to go with what the child wishes, or completely reject what the child wishes.

Male circumcision is easier done at birth, but then we have some men who complain they have been mutilated when they get older and even want to sue their parents.

Of course when the state decides for all, usually one side is completely rejected.

So is there any solution that is best for everyone, including the child?

I have never said that. I support government force to treat children if parents refuse to. I also support mandatory inoculations. I think parents that endanger children for their beliefs regardless of the nature of the beliefs need to have an authority step in.

One thing, which seems to be supported by how we actually do things, is from conception to adult age, rights gradually increase. I believe you can force a juvenile to go to school at 7 years old, but I'm not so sure a parent or state can force a child to have surgery at 7 years old, if he or she really doesn't want it.

But I also find that question hard to answer every time with complete satisfaction. We don't even often agree on when adult age occurs.

But in general, I'd say, the older you are the more you get to make your own important decisions and in some cases it doesn't need to wait until you're are officially an adult. *again example of whether you force a young child to have a surgery he or she doesn't want.

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We have people arguing only parents can act in the best interests of their children regardless of what the state or anyone else says.

But that doesn't mean one side wins.

That means parents can deny medical care of any kind they deem inappropriate like blood transfusions for Jehovah Witnesses children. Or Evangelicals who believe their curable sick child will be cured by god and shouldn't be taken to a hospital. Or parents who refuse vaccinations.

Or a parent can operate on gender or not operate. Or decide to go with what the child wishes, or completely reject what the child wishes.

Male circumcision is easier done at birth, but then we have some men who complain they have been mutilated when they get older and even want to sue their parents.

Of course when the state decides for all, usually one side is completely rejected.

So is there any solution that is best for everyone, including the child?

I have never said that. I support government force to treat children if parents refuse to. I also support mandatory inoculations. I think parents that endanger children for their beliefs regardless of the nature of the beliefs need to have an authority step in.

One thing, which seems to be supported by how we actually do things, is from conception to adult age, rights gradually increase. I believe you can force a juvenile to go to school at 7 years old, but I'm not so sure a parent or state can force a child to have surgery at 7 years old, if he or she really doesn't want it.

But I also find that question hard to answer every time with complete satisfaction. We don't even often agree on when adult age occurs.

But in general, I'd say, the older you are the more you get to make your own important decisions and in some cases it doesn't need to wait until you're are officially an adult. *again example of whether you force a young child to have a surgery he or she doesn't want.

Should parents of an adolescent be able to force their daughter to have an abortion?

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What do you think?

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My whole point is, it is not a hard and fast answer for each situation.

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Now, apparently there is already a new letter added to that infamous Acronym. I... LGQTBI.... I guess I means Intersex?....

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It's much longer its LGBTQIAAP+ if you want to be fully inclusive but nobody has time to type all of that.

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O.O I HOPE the P stands for Pansexual and not Pedophile.... I guess the double As mean Asexual and Aromantic ....

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Plenty of gays I am sure think this is just as awful as we are stating here.
But neither will dare speak up lest they be shunned.

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Birth coach is 'hounded out' of industry charity Doula UK after transgender activists branded her Facebook message claiming only women can have babies 'offensive'

And some of you get upset when some of us describe the people in this movement as mentally ill? Upset that someone tells the truth that only women can have babies is mentally unstable to mentally ill.