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Quote: Gandler

Way to quote a plan that is being considered in the Netherlands and shoehorn that in like it is happening here. Also, it is important to note that these are not crop farms, these are livestock farms. Nobody wants to stop plant production.

We don't need to seize farmland in America to end meat production, we can simply end farm subsidies (one of the biggest welfare programs in history), this would almost exclusively effect meat production, with meat prices go so high only the ultra rich could afford it, so most meat farms would shut down. Meat only exists in America as a common good because of farm subsidies.

A pound of ground beef hamburger (which is one of the cheaper meats) would increase to 30.00 USD/lb without government welfare (compared to less than 5.00 USD/lb even with "prices out of control"). Just shut off the subsidies and meat farms will close by way of the free market. The meat industry (and dairy for that matter), only exist because of a massive welfare program.

Glad you read the article.

I see what you mean.


PS: I added a sentence right before the reference block.

I have to think about your plant remarks versus meat.


My first thought, is a farm has to be sustainable.

The farmers I know, have both, plants and animals.

Plants feed the animals.

Then the manure from the animals fertilize the crops.

Symbiosis.

Quote: DoubleGold

I have to think about your plant remarks versus meat.


My first thought, is a farm has to be sustainable.

The farmers I know, have both, plants and animals.

Plants feed the animals.

Then the manure from the animals fertilize the crops.

Symbiosis.

Meat farms would not exist without government welfare. It is really as simple as that. Meat farms are not sustainable. Dairy is close to the same.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-true-cost-of-a-hamburger/

Almost nobody would buy meat or dairy if farm subsidies ended tomorrow because it would be economic suicide (and virtually all fast food would shut down).

I don't think meat should be outlawed. Or dairy. We just need to end all farm subsidies, this would naturally make plant farming the most profitable (and the only form that makes sense).

Going vegan is the single best thing anyone can do for the environment, it matters more than how much you drive, what you drive, how much you fly, and how you run your house combined. And, if government subsidies ended many people would go vegan (or essentially vegan) through economical necessity.

Now, this is not a regulation or a restriction. This is literally just cutting all welfare from the farming industry (again such welfare only benefits dairy and meat). And, this would allow for a true free market.

Quote: Gandler

Meat farms would not exist without government welfare. It is really as simple as that. Meat farms are not sustainable. Dairy is close to the same.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-true-cost-of-a-hamburger/

Almost nobody would buy meat or dairy if farm subsidies ended tomorrow because it would be economic suicide (and virtually all fast food would shut down).

I don't think meat should be outlawed. Or dairy. We just need to end all farm subsidies, this would naturally make plant farming the most profitable (and the only form that makes sense).

Going vegan is the single best thing anyone can do for the environment, it matters more than how much you drive, what you drive, how much you fly, and how you run your house combined. And, if government subsidies ended many people would go vegan (or essentially vegan) through economical necessity.

Now, this is not a regulation or a restriction. This is literally just cutting all welfare from the farming industry (again such welfare only benefits dairy and meat). And, this would allow for a true free market.

My understanding is different.

I think animal fat is required for cells to be healthy.


Book can be downloaded free in pdf:

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We have trillions of cells in our bodies, and every cell is surrounded by
a membrane composed of a double layer of fat molecules, called the lipid
bilayer. These molecules are mostly saturated because, after all, they are
animal fats. The other main component of the cell membrane is
cholesterol. Together, the saturated fats and cholesterol ensure that the cell
membrane is waterproof, thus allowing a discrete chemistry and a
different electrical potential inside and outside the cell. The remarkable
membrane is engineered with channels and receptors so that only certain
compounds get in and out.
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Quote: DoubleGold

My understanding is different.

I think animal fat is required for cells to be healthy.


Book can be downloaded free in pdf:

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Contagion Myth
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Chapter 9 - Food
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Page 122:
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We have trillions of cells in our bodies, and every cell is surrounded by
a membrane composed of a double layer of fat molecules, called the lipid
bilayer. These molecules are mostly saturated because, after all, they are
animal fats. The other main component of the cell membrane is
cholesterol. Together, the saturated fats and cholesterol ensure that the cell
membrane is waterproof, thus allowing a discrete chemistry and a
different electrical potential inside and outside the cell. The remarkable
membrane is engineered with channels and receptors so that only certain
compounds get in and out.
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There are many sources of fats, and plant-based fats are generally healthier. "Animal Fat" is not a nutrient that the body needs.

I don't understand your citation, it's basically a rudimentary descriptions of cell structure and function that looks like its out of a BIO101 class (I don't mean that as an insult, but its literally just a basic description, I don't understand how that proves anything about needing "animal fat").

That was a small quote.

There are more references in the same vicinity.

Here's another:

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On the other hand, the types of fat molecules in vegetable oils—called
polyunsaturated fatty acids—do not provide the stability these structures
need. When built into our cell and tissue membranes, the cells become
“floppy” and “leaky”; they can no longer provide effective barriers that
our cells require to function properly.

Having adequate saturated fat in our cell membranes is especially
important in the Internet age because 5G and other EMFs increase the
permeability of the cell membrane, which can result in a kind of
starvation of all our tissues, with all sorts of unfortunate consequences—
from fatigue to cancer.

At least half the fat molecules in the cell membrane need to be
saturated in order for our cells to function optimally. The fat molecule in
our lung surfactants needs to be 100 percent saturated for the lungs to
work properly. If our diet is lacking in saturated fat, the body will put
polyunsaturated or partially hydrogenated fatty acids in the lung
surfactants, making respiration difficult, with lung disease such as asthma
and pneumonia likely consequences.

Chronic lower respiratory disease includes chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema, and
bronchitis. The lungs simply cannot work properly in those who consume
a lot of industrial seed oils.

Saturated animal fats also supply cholesterol, which is needed in the
cell membranes to ensure the cells are waterproof so they can have a
different electric potential on the inside and outside of the cell. Another
important compound we get uniquely from animal fats is arachidonic acid,
which is required for tight cell-to-cell junctures.


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I'm not a fan of killing animals.

But I believe we were designed as carnivores, meaning there's an important reason we're allowed to digest meat.

If meat was not required as designed, we would only be able to eat plant based food and not be able to digest meat.

Quote: rxwine

Because you were pointing what Mr Rogers thought decades ago, which might be very different than what he thought today. It's impossible to know if that's relevant to what he would say today.

I can picture him being influenced into changing his thinking on the matter, and almost definitely silenced if not. I can't see trans-advocacy from him; you never know. I'm glad we didn't put him through it.

There's a word we don't have in English, it would describe 'group-think intimidation and the threat of ostracization' ... the Lefties are so good at that. And Mr. Rogers would have little choice while he was still doing his program other than to at least be quiet about it

Quote: DoubleGold-provided link

https://www.planet-today.com/2023/05/john-kerry-declares-war-on-us-farmers.html

Nitrogen emissions are a problem? news to me. Almost 80% of the atmosphere I think. Stay tuned

Quote: odiousgambit

Nitrogen emissions are a problem? news to me. Almost 80% of the atmosphere I think. Stay tuned

Quote: google search

Nitrogen is a key contributor to climate change
When nitrogen in its active form, such as in fertiliser, is exposed to soil, microbial reactions take place that release nitrous oxide. This gas is 300 times more potent at warming the atmosphere than carbon dioxide.Jan 16, 2023 .... United Nations Environment Programme

Holy %$#&%$ these folks are out of their minds if they are using this as an excuse to go after "small farms".

The planet today article shouldn't use the expression 'nitrogen emissions' when they mean 'nitrous oxide' emissions

I'll give them credit, though, for slamming Kerry and "the radical 'green agenda' goals laid out by World Economic Forum (WEF)" ... a bit of a surprise that they aren't toeing the line, coerced due to that word we don't have in English