New high capacity airplanes

Quote: Fleastiff

Dreamliner will not use bleed air for cabin air.
Gets my vote for that reason alone.

That is an interesting issue. Surprisingly passenger safety was not the major reason for not using bleed air in the Dreamliner. It was engineering (weight reduction) issue.

But if enough people start making choices of equipment based on this issue, it could influence fleet decisions by airlines.

Deliveries of Dreamliners to some popular airlines

Americas
Air Canada  (Canada)
4 787-8 (20+21+210 seats)
United Airlines  (USA)
11 787-8 (36+35+113 seats)
1 787-9 (48+88+116 seats)
Aeromexico  (Mexico)
5 787-8 (32+0+211 seats)
LAN Airlines  (Chile)
9 787-8

Europe
British Airways  (United Kingdom)
8 787-8
Norwegian  (Norway)
7 787-8
TUI Travel PLC  (United Kingdom)
8 787-8


Asia/Oceana/Middle East
All Nippon Airways  (Japan)
31 787-8
2 787-9
Japan Airlines  (Japan)
15 787-8
Qatar Airways  (Qatar)
15 787-8
Air New Zealand  (New Zealand)
2 787-9
Qantas  (Australia)
7 787-8

For people who are fans of one kind of airframe, there is a posting every month for popular new equipment.
Where Does the Boeing 787 Dreamliner Fly? October 2014 Network Update

United Airlines (UA)
-international
Denver (DEN) – Tokyo (NRT)
Houston (IAH) – Lagos (LOS)
Houston (IAH) – London (LHR)
Houston (IAH) – Tokyo (NRT)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Melbourne (MEL)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Shanghai (PVG)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Tokyo (NRT)
San Francisco (SFO) – Chengdu (CTU)
San Francisco (SFO) – Osaka (KIX)
-domestic (hub to hub)
Houston (IAH) – Dallas (DFW)
Houston (IAH) – Denver (DEN)
Houston (IAH) – Los Angeles (LAX)
Houston (IAH) – Newark (EWR)
Houston (IAH) – San Francisco (SFO)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Denver (DEN)
Los Angeles (LAX) – San Diego (SAN)
Newark (EWR) – Dallas (DFW)
Newark (EWR) – Denver (DEN)
Newark (EWR) – Los Angeles (LAX)
Newark (EWR) – San Diego (SAN)
Newark (EWR) – San Francisco (SFO)

Aeromexico (AM)
Mexico City (MEX) – New York (JFK)
Mexico City (MEX) – London (LHR)
Mexico City (MEX) – Madrid (MAD)
Mexico City (MEX) – Paris (CDG)
Mexico City (MEX) – Monterrey (MTY) – Tokyo (NRT)

Air Canada (AC)
Toronto (YYZ) – Copenhagen (CPH)
Toronto (YYZ) – London (LHR)
Toronto (YYZ) – Montreal (YUL)
Toronto (YYZ) – Tel Aviv (TLV)
Toronto (YYZ) – Tokyo (HND)
Toronto (YYZ) – Vancouver (YVR)
Toronto (YYZ) – Zurich (ZRH)
Vancouver (YVR) – Shanghai (PVG)

British Airways (BA)
London (LHR) – Austin (AUS)
London (LHR) – Newark (EWR)
London (LHR) – Philadelphia (PHL)
London (LHR) – Toronto (YYZ)
London (LHR) – Calgary (YYC)
London (LHR) – Chengdu (CTU)
London (LHR) – Chennai (MAA)
London (LHR) – Hyderabad (HYD)

Norwegian (DY)
London (LGW) – Ft Lauderdale (FLL)
London (LGW) – Los Angeles (LAX)
London (LGW) – New York (JFK)
Copenhagen (CPH) – Ft Lauderdale (FLL)
Copenhagen (CPH) – Los Angeles (LAX)
Copenhagen (CPH) – New York (JFK)
Oslo (OSL) – Ft Lauderdale (FLL)
Oslo (OSL) – Los Angeles (LAX)
Oslo (OSL) – New York (JFK)
Oslo (OSL) – Oakland (OAK)
Oslo (OSL) – Orlando (MCO)
Oslo (OSL) – Honolulu (HNL) - in future?
Stockholm (ARN) – Ft Lauderdale (FLL)
Stockholm (ARN) – Los Angeles (LAX)
Stockholm (ARN) – New York (JFK)
Stockholm (ARN) – Oakland (OAK)
...
Oslo (OSL) – Bangkok (BKK)
Stockholm (ARN) – Bangkok (BKK)

Quote: Pacomartin

That is an interesting issue. Surprisingly passenger safety was not the major reason for not using bleed air in the Dreamliner. It was engineering (weight reduction) issue. But if enough people start making choices of equipment based on this issue, it could influence fleet decisions by airlines.

Leg room, quick boarding, peanuts, stewardess anatomy, ... a great many things CAN play a role but Health is a major one and women are already politicized about breast cancer so wait for airliner dryness and breast cancer to be well-linked and decisions will indeed be made on unanticipated bases.

Quote: Fleastiff

... a great many things CAN play a role but Health is a major one

This film is hoping to make the issue a public one.


Theoretically people could choose to Layover in Mexico instead of some other American city, just to get on a Dreamliner without bleed air (for the long haul)

Sample trip Las Vegas, to Charles de Gaulle Airport , Paris (real times)

3hr 5min, LAS to Minneapolis; LAYOVER; 8hr 23min to Paris
11hr 2min Paris to Seattle; LAYOVER; 2hr 21min to Las Vegas

3hr 54min. LAS to Mexico City; LAYOVER; 10hr 50min to Paris
12hr 15min. Paris to Mexico City; LAYOVER; 4hr 11min to Las Vegas

Its not just exotic petroleum products and recirculated microbes but strange effect seen in "clean rooms" producing silicon chips where water droplets are a large contaminant. Long hours in a dry atmosphere leads to breast cancer rates that are unusual.

A nice restful layover in a city that provides an opportunity for suitable entertainment might become a factor though women tend to look at the hotel bar first and might not have the luxuries of a longer trip available to them.

On Sunday i just returned to Las Vegas on a short flight from Reno. This is the third trip I have taken by commercial airplane in the last six weeks and it is the third time I have gotten sick after returning. I don't know if I have been getting particularly unlucky or if things are just getting worse.

Boeing just delivered 199th Dreamliner.

About 20% of the airplanes have been ordered in the Americas

United Airlines 65 (12 delivered)
American Airlines 42 (none)
Delta Air Lines 18 (none)
Air Canada  37 (4 delivered)

Aeromexico  (Mexico) 8 (4 leased)
Avianca  (Colombia) 15 (none)
LAN Airlines  (Chile) 26 (9 delivered)

So it will be possible to fly in a jet without bleed air to some destinations shortly.

Quote: Pacomartin

So it will be possible to fly in a jet without bleed air to some destinations shortly.

This will make some very happy, others a bit happy and some won't care at all.

I wonder how many viable "segments" there are to the flying public? I don't mean by traffic because with all this hub and spoke stuff it seems no one is ever going to where they are going.

Will travel agencies make a comeback? Actually planning someone's travels... events, hobbies, restaurants, airline selection and airplane selection?

More point to point flights will eventually undo the waste of hub and spoke systems.

Quote: Fleastiff

I wonder how many viable "segments" there are to the flying public? I don't mean by traffic because with all this hub and spoke stuff it seems no one is ever going to where they are going.

Will travel agencies make a comeback? Actually planning someone's travels... events, hobbies, restaurants, airline selection and airplane selection?

More point to point flights will eventually undo the waste of hub and spoke systems.

"Viable "segments " there are to the flying public" In the business and have no idea what you are talking about :-)
Travel agencies wont make a comeback. The travel agencies that are left(we still book a ton of business for all airlines) mostly book corporate travel and are quite large and healthy.
I never book restaurants, help with airline selection, never questioned regarding equipment type.
I book corporate travel. Our bread and butter is changing reservations in the middle of travel. Get a lot of calls from travellers in China, India, Brazil ect, needing to adjust travel while in the middle of a trip.
Although largest domestic carrier in the USA, Southwest, does not use hub and spoke, AA DL UA still doing alot of business with hub and spoke.
I book a ton of hub and spoke because I mostly book international travel. In in a small town, got to connect to a major international gateway to get out of the country and back home.

Quote: Fleastiff

More point to point flights will eventually undo the waste of hub and spoke systems.

Boeing's 787 Dreamliner was billed as a "hub-buster", an aircraft that would open new routes and allow passengers to fly non-stop in thinner markets rather than transfer via a hub. 787 network analysis: 20% of Dreamliner routes are new, others replace aircraft on existing routes

This article was written in July and was probably based on 150 jets in service. Routes from San Francisco were new routes to smaller cities in China. United also put in the Houston to Lagos Nigeria flight (only the 7th nonstop from USA to West Africa).

But since most people don't travel to small Chinese cities except on personal business, the airline that has the potential to change most tourist habits of Americans is Norwegian. It seems that they are going to be this generation's People's Air and offer cheap flights to Europe, but via Ireland and Denmark and Oslo,

This issue of "contaminated bleed air" still seems to be a minor concern, but a lot of people are trying to make it a big one. A couple of stories on Oprah and it could become a factor. Until recently there was no choice possible except choosing not to fly.