Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

Yes, the Church is guilty, but my efforts are not to deflect the accusation. I just want you and others, but mostly you to be reasonable in your attacks against the Church.

But why should I be, that's the whole point.
The Church presents itself as the moral arbiter
for the whole world. It's the place that decides
what's right, good, and proper for everybody
else. And for hundreds of years it went around
enforcing that authority, the authority that came
right from your god, or so you said.

Of course we hold such an organization to a higher
standard. So would you if you weren't up to your
neck in apologizing for it. You think I would care
if it was Norway or General Motors that had such
a past? I care because the Church still has the same
lofty opinion of itself, they still consider themselves
holier than thou, and they constantly need to
be reminded that they have a past that is a horror
story. There is no god, it's just ego centered men
making up stories to advance their greed and power
by enslaving the minds of the ignorant.

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I would gladly take the history of the Catholic Church over any other organization in the world, warts and all.

That's kind of what you get paid to do, duh.
In fact I asked Ed that very question on Friday.
I said why does the priest continue to defend
the indefensible past of his Church. Ed says
that what priests are taught to do, it's part of
their job. He did it for 5 years when he was a
priest.

Quote: Evenbob

But why should I be, that's the whole point.
The Church presents itself as the moral arbiter
for the whole world.

Last time I checked the Catholic Church is about guiding and teaching those who are Catholic how to live a holy and moral life. Now what it teaches is truth, but it claims no authority over the freedom of people who are not Catholic to think and live as they see fit.

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Of course we hold such an organization to a higher
standard.

I agree that it should be held to a higher standard and I'm glad you do.

Quote: FrGamble

Last time I checked the Catholic Church is about guiding and teaching those who are Catholic how to live a holy and moral life. Now what it teaches is truth

And in the days when the Church held
all the power you know damn well what
happened to you if you spoke out about
that truth in any negative way.

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I agree that it should be held to a higher standard

But you don't. You constantly justify the
Church's past with all kinds of twisty
and turny logic and deflections.

Quote: Evenbob

But you don't. You constantly justify the
Church's past with all kinds of twisty
and turny logic and deflections.

I hold the Church to a MUCH higher standard than you do.

Quote: FrGamble

I hold the Church to a MUCH higher standard than you do.

No, you hold the rewriting of Church history
to be your main priority. Almost impossible
to do now, too much of really happened has
been written about and researched for far too
long.

Not at all I am for an unflinching look at the failures of the Church with a reasonable and accurate historical understanding. You have no interest in really learning what happened all you want is to exaggerate the failings and look past the good. You can still do this because you don't look at the real research and true history you are content with internet sites with an axe to grind and modern myths.

Quote: FrGamble

Not at all I am for an unflinching look at the failures of the Church with a reasonable and accurate historical understanding.

As long as that historical understanding
comes from the Vatican. Yes, we totally
understand where you're coming from,
no need to explain.

Nope, I'm coming from just a reasonable and true historical understanding. Not from the Vatican and certainly not from the awful sources you are brainwashed by.

Quote: FrGamble

Nope, I'm coming from just a reasonable and true historical understanding. .

I know exactly where you're coming from,
every time you say the info I have is wrong,
you always direct me to a Catholic approved
site. Every time.

Catholic approved, huh? I didn't know there was such a thing. Anyway, since the sites you link to and the craziness you spout claims to speak for and about the Church I thought you would appreciate hearing from those who know what they are talking about. My bad.