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Original Sin?
| June 27th, 2018 at 9:12:53 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
No, love is an free act of the will to wish the good for the other. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| June 27th, 2018 at 11:28:34 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
According to the Church, 'love' was forcibly converting Jews wherever they could. It was for their own good, the Church claimed. 'Love' was Mother Teresa sneaking around her clinic in the dead of night converting the dying who had no idea what she was asking. To the Church, love is just another 4 letter word.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 27th, 2018 at 8:28:16 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | No, Bob I'm sorry love is NOT forcibly converting anyone and no the only thing Mother Teresa was doing in the dead of night is cleaning wounds, feeding, and praying for folks like you. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| June 27th, 2018 at 9:19:04 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Yet that was the Church's stance during forced conversion. They said they were doing it for the persons own good, out of love. As far as Teresa, there are witnesses who saw her do it. Lots of them. It's why so many of the Indian doctors and medical staff were against her. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 28th, 2018 at 3:45:50 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | If you can show me one instance where the Church's official stance was forced conversion I'll leave you alone for good. I'm glad you like the evidence of personal testimony when it benefits you. However, with Mother Teresa you are always going to lose the eyewitness argument unless you could get those she was actually ministering to to say something bad, and that has not or will not happen. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| June 28th, 2018 at 11:12:41 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
St Augustine speaking for the Catholic Church hundreds of years ago said that forced conversion is good for it paves the way to real conversion. "It is indeed better (as no one ever could deny) that men should be led to worship God by teaching, than that they should be driven to it by fear of punishment or pain; but it does not follow that because the former course produces the better men, therefore those who do not yield to it should be neglected. For many have found advantage (as we have proved, and are daily proving by actual experiment), in being first compelled by fear or pain, so that they might afterwards be influenced by teaching, or might follow out in act what they had already learned in word." --Saint Augustine, Treatise on the Correction of the Donatists. Because of St Augustine, the Catholic Church endorsed forced conversion of unbelievers into the Church. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 28th, 2018 at 11:14:14 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Padre - is there an "official" Catholic document that specifically states that "God exists"...? |
| June 28th, 2018 at 12:19:49 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Yes, every single one, including the Bible. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| July 1st, 2018 at 9:08:37 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | FrG has asked me about regrets in relation to sin. I always say I do not really have any regrets. I ran across this somewhere and cannot say any of them apply to me. Not one. I always do what I want to do, and that leads to few regrets. https://bestlifeonline.com/most-common-regrets/ If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| July 2nd, 2018 at 12:37:22 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
This is literally the recipe for and the beginning of all regret. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |