Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

God don't have no whims.

Lets not forget the 7 Deadly Sins, those little
whims. Pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice,
gluttony, and lust. Children were taught at
an early age what committing these sins
meant and what their punishment was.

Sin Punishment in Hell

Pride broken on the wheel
Envy put in freezing water
Anger dismembered alive
Sloth thrown in snake pits
Greed put in cauldrons of boiling oil
Gluttony forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes
Lust smothered in fire and brimstone

Does the Church still indoctrinate innocent
kids with this horrible tripe? I would have
had nightmares.

O God Bob, that is sick and never, ever in my life have I heard anything like that. The Church would never say or teach children or adults such nonsense. I have nightmares even thinking that you thought the Church would ever do such a thing.

Quote: FrGamble

O God Bob, that is sick and never, ever in my life have I heard anything like that. .

Do you think I made it up? This is
what the Church taught at one
time.

Just picked one of the several topics for this

FrGamble, what is a tradition when a Catholic Church is renovated?

Quote: Evenbob

Do you think I made it up? This is
what the Church taught at one
time.

The Church at no time taught that. I would not say you are making it up, you might honestly believe that because someone must have mislead you into believing the Church did teach that and I'm sorry they did. They must have had something against the Church or a horribly bad personal experience.

We've been saying that without the resurrection,
there is no Christianity. But that's putting the cart
before the horse. The bottom line is, without
original sin, and sin itself, there is no Christianity.

Why do you need a religion that's whole purpose
is to save you, if there's nothing to save you from.
Convince somebody original sin exists, and the
resurrection is a given. Convince them sin exists,
that you can insult god by sinning, and the rest
is easy. If you buy into sin, you need the rest of
it, it's a whole package.

Are you really still trying to hold onto the, 'there is no sin' idea?!? What more do you need to convince you?

Quote: FrGamble

Are you really still trying to hold onto the, 'there is no sin' idea?!? What more do you need to convince you?

Some proof would be nice. So far there
is zero proof that the billions of galaxies
in the universe were all created by a god
whose single purpose seems to be to test
humans moral character.

I've tried talking to Christians about this
many times and most of them just dismiss
it with a wave of the hand. "Of course sin
is real, are you nuts?" kind of attitude. It's
the very basis of the religion and they never
question, it's a given that there is something
to be saved from, sin.

I've looked and looked for decades and have
found nothing that would make me think I
could ever do anything that would offend a
god. If I could, that would almost make me
a god, wouldn't it. If I could offend a god, that
would make me feel very important, like I was
a somebody. Is that what this is all about, stroking
the ego of followers, making them feel like they
are the center of gods attention?

Because that makes sense, there is something
comforting about that, like a child going to sleep
thinking he's the center of his parents life, when
of course he isn't. Didn't Paul say something about
growing up and putting away childish things? Like
thinking you're more important than you really are?

Bob if you don't believe in God it makes sense that you could never imagine doing anything to offend Him. What if you asked yourself is there anything could ever do or ever have done that has offended myself, or those whom I love, or those that love me? The answer to those questions might get you closer to understanding the reality of sin.

Quote: FrGamble

The answer to those questions might get you closer to understanding the reality of sin.

The definition of sin is literally doing something
to offend god. Sin isn't just being naughty, it's
offending god. As I said, if I can offend god,
that almost makes me a god, doesn't it. The
only people that can really offend and hurt
me are my equals. So if I offend god, I have
to assume we must be equals.

Let me explain further. Lets say some HS dropout
clown high on crack calls me a name on the
street. I'm not offended, I understand his position
and I forgive him. If someone I respect, like an
older college professor insults me, I am hurt
and offended because I respect him.

If gods offended by my actions, he's not much
of a god. I know this because I'm not much of a
god either. Sin makes no sense.