Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

August 3rd, 2022 at 4:32:37 PM permalink
terapined
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Shaq just picked up a scooter
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
August 3rd, 2022 at 10:35:58 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: terapined
Shaq just picked up a scooter


Wolf King GT top speed is estimated at 63 mph
Wolf King GT range is estimated at 74 miles

Shaq has a 14 acre compound near Atlanta. He might not even be interested in taking his scooter out on public streets.
August 6th, 2022 at 5:25:51 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Looking at the relationship between number of cylinders and displacement for vehicles sold in the US in 2022 (except for exoticx)

# Cyl Min Max
3 1.2L - 1.5L
4 1.3L - 2.8L
6 2.7L - 4.0L
8 3.8L - 6.4L


We all know that most automakers are downsizing their engines to make them more fuel efficient. Toyota Division is getting rid of the last of their 8 cylinders although they sell some in the Lexus Division. The Toyota 4Runner is 4.0L 6 cylinder so it is on the top end of the 6 cylinder displacement scale.

Do you think there will ever be an outright ban on vehicles over 6 cylinders? Or displacement over 4.0L.

This Bugatti Chiron has 12 cylinders and displaces 8L. It costs $3,825,000 and there are just 9 of them .
August 6th, 2022 at 10:47:45 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: Pacomartin
This Bugatti Chiron has 12 cylinders and displaces 8L. It costs $3,825,000 and there are just 9 of them .


Huh?

Sixteen cylinders, not twelve.

My Ferrari had twelve, and this beast would eat if for lunch.

Ah, but does size matter?

The six cylinder Porsche 918 Spyder is a tick quicker 0-60.
August 6th, 2022 at 1:51:24 PM permalink
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World’s Fastest Cars
Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+: 304 mph
Hennessey Venom F5: 301 mph*
SSC Tuatara: 283 mph
Koenigsegg Agera RS: 278 mph
Hennessey Venom GT: 270 mph
Bugatti Veyron Super Sport: 268 mph

Quote: By Joel Patel February 23, 2022
Top-speed runs are making a comeback, as automakers have made massive strides in powertrains and aerodynamics. Like lap records, top-speed runs are purely for bragging rights. There’s no incentive to having one of the fastest cars in the world beyond giving automakers the ability to say that they have one of the fastest cars in the world. It really is that simple.Unlike other figures that are used to differentiate vehicles from one another, like zero-to-60 mph times, cornering G-force, or quarter-mile times, setting a new top speed record is insanely difficult. Beyond ensuring that a car has the right amount of power and efficiently flows through the air, finding a long enough stretch of road to get a car up to 300 mph is nearly impossible. That’s why top speed records rarely get broken.
Horsepower still reigns supreme as the primary metric to compare cars against one another and for outright bragging rights, but the metric has lost its primacy recently. Family wagons now make 603 horsepower and three-row SUVs can be fitted with 710-horsepower engines. Year after year, automakers continue to raise the bar with even more powerful vehicles. A few automakers, though, continue to chase another, more rarified figure — top speed.
These vehicles are the fastest cars in the world. The majority of vehicles have proven top-speed records, while a few are claimed top-speed figures. Also, this list includes a few models that would set records if they were to go into production.
August 6th, 2022 at 2:03:38 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
Looking at the relationship between number of cylinders and displacement for vehicles sold in the US in 2022 (except for exoticx)

# Cyl Min Max
3 1.2L - 1.5L
4 1.3L - 2.8L
6 2.7L - 4.0L
8 3.8L - 6.4L


We all know that most automakers are downsizing their engines to make them more fuel efficient. Toyota Division is getting rid of the last of their 8 cylinders although they sell some in the Lexus Division. The Toyota 4Runner is 4.0L 6 cylinder so it is on the top end of the 6 cylinder displacement scale.

Do you think there will ever be an outright ban on vehicles over 6 cylinders? Or displacement over 4.0L.


I do not see a ban, at least not in the USA. Americans have turned their backs on the V-8. A few holdouts remain, but no car needs one anymore. Just a few trucks do. Other things being equal you are better with fewer cylinders. Exotics used to have V-12s but with displacement lower than the old big blocks. Lotus used to have the position that they did it with smaller engines. Will an exotic maker decide to do it with a 6 that gets the power of a 12? A L6 is simply half of a V-12. Save the weight!

I have heard that larger L-4s are not the best idea. 500cc per cylinder is around ideal. Almost no vehicle needs more than a 4 these days, the market is taking care of it.
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August 6th, 2022 at 2:04:42 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Real world, top speed means nothing: when / where does your average car owner ever get a chance or have the balls to go that fast?

No, the most valuable metrics are 0-60 and G forces when cornering.

Bugattis are for posers; Porsches are for drivers who love to drive for the sheer hell of it.
August 14th, 2022 at 4:09:34 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
I have heard that larger L-4s are not the best idea. 500cc per cylinder is around ideal. Almost no vehicle needs more than a 4 these days, the market is taking care of it.
The largest L-4s and H-4s being sold right now have an average of 700cc per cylinder

There are also a lot of 6 cylinder vehicles with 500cc or more per cylinder.
liters carline division mpg
3.0 1500 4X2 RAM 26.0
1500 4X4 RAM 24.3
1500 HFE 4X2 RAM 26.5
540i Sedan BMW 27.4
540i xDrive Sedan BMW 25.0
740i Sedan BMW 24.5
740i xDrive Sedan BMW 22.9
840i Convertible BMW 24.5
840i Coupe BMW 25.5
840i Gran Coupe BMW 24.5
840i xDrive Convertible BMW 22.9
840i xDrive Coupe BMW 22.9
840i xDrive Gran Coupe BMW 22.9
911 Carrera Porsche 20.0
911 Carrera 4 Porsche 20.0
911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet Porsche 20.0
911 Carrera 4S Porsche 20.0
911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet Porsche 20.4
911 Carrera Cabriolet Porsche 20.0
911 Carrera S Porsche 20.4
911 Carrera S Cabriolet Porsche 20.0
911 Targa 4 Porsche 20.0
911 Targa 4S Porsche 20.0
A6 Allroad quattro Audi 23.4
A6 quattro Audi 24.5
A7 quattro Audi 24.5
A8 L quattro Audi 22.1
AMG C 43 4MATIC (convertible) Mercedes-Benz 22.1
AMG C 43 4MATIC (coupe) Mercedes-Benz 21.9
AMG E 53 4MATIC+ Mercedes-Benz 23.7
AMG E 53 4MATIC+ (Convertible) Mercedes-Benz 22.2
AMG E 53 4MATIC+ (Coupe) Mercedes-Benz 23.1
AMG GLC 43 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz 20.6
AMG GLC 43 4MATIC (coupe) Mercedes-Benz 18.9
AMG GLE 53 4MATIC+ Mercedes-Benz 19.4
AMG GLE 53 4MATIC+ (coupe) Mercedes-Benz 18.8
AMG GT 43 4MATIC+ Mercedes-Benz 21.4
AMG GT 53 4MATIC+ Mercedes-Benz 21.4
AVIATOR AWD Lincoln 19.8
AVIATOR RWD Lincoln 21.1
Cayenne / Cayenne Coupé Porsche 19.0
CLS 450 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz 24.8
CT5 Cadillac 21.9
CT5 AWD Cadillac 21.2
CT5 V Cadillac 21.0
CT5 V AWD Cadillac 21.2
Defender 110 MHEV Land Rover 19.1
Defender 90 MHEV Land Rover 19.1
Discovery MHEV Land Rover 20.6
E 450 (convertible) Mercedes-Benz 24.6
E 450 (coupe) Mercedes-Benz 24.7
E 450 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz 25.4
E 450 4MATIC (convertible) Mercedes-Benz 24.5
E 450 4MATIC (coupe) Mercedes-Benz 24.5
E 450 4MATIC All-Terrain (wagon) Mercedes-Benz 24.0
ESCALADE 2WD Cadillac 23.0
ESCALADE 4WD Cadillac 22.0
EXPLORER AWD Ford 20.0
EXPLORER RWD Ford 20.3
F-PACE P340 MHEV Jaguar 22.3
F-PACE P400 MHEV Jaguar 21.8
GHIBLI GT MASERATI 20.3
GHIBLI MODENA AWD MASERATI 18.7
GHIBLI MODENA RWD MASERATI 20.3
Gladiator EcoDiesel 4X4 Jeep 24.0
Gladiator Rubic EcoDiesel 4x4 Jeep 24.0
GLE 450 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz 22.2
GLS 450 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz 20.4
LEVANTE GT MASERATI 17.8
LEVANTE MODENA MASERATI 17.8
M240i xDrive Coupe BMW 26.3
M3 Competition M xDrive Sedan BMW 18.5
M3 Competition Sedan BMW 18.7
M3 Sedan BMW 18.6
M340i Sedan BMW 26.4
M340i xDrive Sedan BMW 26.1
M4 Competition Coupe BMW 18.7
M4 Competition M xDrive Coupe BMW 18.5
M4 Coupe BMW 18.6
M440i Convertible BMW 25.9
M440i Coupe BMW 28.2
M440i xDrive Convertible BMW 26.3
M440i xDrive Coupe BMW 26.1
M440i xDrive Gran Coupe BMW 24.5
M4CompetitionMxDriveConvertible BMW 18.2
MC20 MASERATI 18.4
MDX AWD Type-S Acura 19.5
Q50 INFINITI 23.0
Q50 AWD INFINITI 22.1
Q50 AWD RED SPORT INFINITI 22.0
Q50 RED SPORT INFINITI 22.1
Q60 INFINITI 22.0
Q60 AWD INFINITI 22.1
Q60 AWD RED SPORT INFINITI 21.0
Q60 RED SPORT INFINITI 22.0
Q7 quattro Audi 20.1
Q8 quattro Audi 20.1
QUATTROPORTE GT MASERATI 19.4
QUATTROPORTE MODENA AWD MASERATI 18.7
QUATTROPORTE MODENA RWD MASERATI 19.4
Range Rover P360 MHEV Land Rover 19.8
Range Rover P400 MHEV Land Rover 19.8
Range Rover Sport P360 MHEV Land Rover 20.6
Range Rover Sport P400 MHEV Land Rover 20.6
Range Rover Velar P340 MHEV Land Rover 22.3
Range Rover Velar P400 MHEV Land Rover 20.9
S 500 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz 23.8
S4 Audi 24.3
S5 Cabriolet Audi 23.5
S5 Coupe Audi 24.3
S5 Sportback Audi 24.3
SIERRA 2WD GMC 26.3
SIERRA 4WD GMC 23.8
SIERRA 4WD MUD TERRAIN TIRES GMC 21.1
SILVERADO 2WD Chevrolet 26.3
SILVERADO 4WD Chevrolet 23.8
SILVERADO 4WD MUD TERRAIN TIRES Chevrolet 21.1
SQ5 Audi 20.9
SQ5 Sportback Audi 20.9
SUBURBAN 2WD Chevrolet 23.0
SUBURBAN 4WD Chevrolet 22.0
Supra 3.0 TOYOTA 25.0
TAHOE 2WD Chevrolet 24.2
TAHOE 4WD Chevrolet 22.0
TLX Type-S Acura 21.0
TLX Type-S Perf Tire Acura 21.4
Wrangler 4dr EcoDiesel 4x4 Jeep 24.7
Wrangler Rubic 4dr EcoDiesel 4x4 Jeep 23.0
X3 M BMW 16.9
X3 M Competition BMW 16.9
X3 M40i BMW 23.3
X4 M BMW 16.9
X4 M Competition BMW 16.9
X4 M40i BMW 23.3
X5 sDrive40i BMW 22.9
X5 xDrive40i BMW 22.6
X6 xDrive40i BMW 22.6
X7 xDrive40i BMW 21.3
YUKON 2WD GMC 23.0
YUKON 4WD GMC 22.0
YUKON XL 2WD GMC 23.0
YUKON XL 4WD GMC 22.0
Z4 M40i BMW 24.6
3.2 Cherokee 4X4 Jeep 22.2
Cherokee FWD Jeep 23.0
Cherokee Trailhawk 4X4 Jeep 20.7
3.3 EXPLORER FFV AWD Ford 18.9
EXPLORER HEV AWD Ford 24.5
EXPLORER HEV RWD Ford 27.4
EXPLORER PLATINUM HEV AWD Ford 23.4
EXPLORER PLATINUM HEV RWD Ford 25.8
F150 PICKUP 2WD FFV Ford 21.0
F150 PICKUP 4WD FFV Ford 20.0
G70 AWD GENESIS 20.0
G70 RWD GENESIS 20.7
G90 AWD GENESIS 19.5
G90 RWD GENESIS 19.5
Stinger AWD KIA 19.8
Stinger RWD KIA 20.5
3.4 LS 500 LEXUS 22.0
LS 500 AWD LEXUS 21.1
LX 600 LEXUS 18.5
TUNDRA 2WD TOYOTA 20.2
TUNDRA 4WD TOYOTA 19.3
3.5 AVALON TOYOTA 25.1
AVALON XLE TOYOTA 25.9
CAMRY TOYOTA 26.2
CAMRY TRD TOYOTA 25.1
CAMRY XSE TOYOTA 25.6
Carnival KIA 22.0
ES 350 LEXUS 25.6
ES 350 F SPORT LEXUS 25.1
F150 PICKUP 2WD Ford 20.2
F150 PICKUP 2WD HEV Ford 25.1
F150 PICKUP 4WD Ford 19.4
F150 PICKUP 4WD HEV Ford 23.4
F150 PICKUP TREMOR 4WD Ford 17.7
F150 RAPTOR 37 4WD Ford 14.9
F150 RAPTOR 4WD Ford 15.0
FORD GT Ford 14.1
G80 AWD GENESIS 20.4
GV70 AWD GENESIS 20.9
GV80 AWD GENESIS 20.0
HIGHLANDER TOYOTA 22.9
HIGHLANDER AWD TOYOTA 22.8
IS 300 AWD LEXUS 21.8
IS 350 LEXUS 22.9
IS 350 AWD LEXUS 21.8
LC 500h LEXUS 29.1
LS 500h AWD LEXUS 24.9
MAXIMA NISSAN 24.0
MDX AWD Acura 21.2
MDX FWD Acura 22.3
MURANO AWD NISSAN 22.8
MURANO FWD NISSAN 23.0
NSX Acura 21.0
ODYSSEY FWD Honda 22.5
PASSPORT AWD Honda 21.4
PASSPORT FWD Honda 22.0
PATHFINDER 2WD NISSAN 22.9
PATHFINDER 4WD NISSAN 23.1
PATHFINDER 4WD PLATINUM NISSAN 22.1
PILOT AWD Honda 22.1
PILOT AWD TrailSport Honda 21.3
PILOT FWD Honda 22.7
QX60 AWD INFINITI 21.7
QX60 FWD INFINITI 22.7
RC 300 AWD LEXUS 21.8
RC 350 LEXUS 22.9
RC 350 AWD LEXUS 21.8
RIDGELINE AWD Honda 20.7
RX 350 LEXUS 22.6
RX 350 AWD LEXUS 21.8
RX 350 L LEXUS 22.0
RX 350 L AWD LEXUS 21.3
RX 450h AWD LEXUS 29.8
RX 450h L AWD LEXUS 29.0
TACOMA 2WD TOYOTA 20.6
TACOMA 4WD TOYOTA 18.5
TACOMA 4WD D-CAB MT TRD-ORP/PRO TOYOTA 18.3
TRANSIT T150 WAGON 2WD FFV Ford 16.5
TRANSIT T150 WAGON 4WD FFV Ford 15.8
3.6 300 Chrysler 22.8
1500 4X2 RAM 21.8
1500 4X4 RAM 21.3
1500 Classic 4X2 RAM 19.7
1500 Classic 4X4 RAM 18.7
1500 HFE 4X2 RAM 22.6
300 AWD Chrysler 21.4
ACADIA AWD GMC 21.3
ACADIA FWD GMC 22.0
Atlas Volkswagen 20.0
Atlas 4Motion Volkswagen 19.3
Atlas Cross Sport Volkswagen 20.5
Atlas Cross Sport 4Motion Volkswagen 20.0
BLAZER AWD Chevrolet 21.3
BLAZER FWD Chevrolet 22.0
CAMARO Chevrolet 19.6
CANYON 2WD GMC 20.9
CANYON 4WD GMC 19.0
Challenger Dodge 22.8
Challenger AWD Dodge 21.4
Charger Dodge 22.8
Charger AWD Dodge 21.4
COLORADO 2WD Chevrolet 20.9
COLORADO 4WD Chevrolet 19.0
COLORADO ZR2 4WD Chevrolet 17.3
CT4 V Cadillac 18.2
Durango AWD Dodge 20.8
Durango RWD Dodge 21.5
ENCLAVE AWD Buick 20.2
ENCLAVE FWD Buick 21.3
Gladiator 4X4 Jeep 18.7
Grand Cherokee 4X2 Jeep 21.8
Grand Cherokee 4X4 Jeep 21.5
Grand Cherokee L 4X2 Jeep 21.4
Grand Cherokee L 4X4 Jeep 21.1
Grand Cherokee WK 4X2 Jeep 21.5
Grand Cherokee WK 4X4 Jeep 20.8
Pacifica Chrysler 22.2
Pacifica AWD Chrysler 19.6
TRAVERSE AWD Chevrolet 20.2
TRAVERSE FWD Chevrolet 21.3
Voyager Chrysler 22.2
Wrangler 2dr 4X4 Jeep 19.9
Wrangler 4dr 4X4 Jeep 19.3
XT5 AWD Cadillac 21.0
XT5 FWD Cadillac 21.2
XT6 AWD Cadillac 20.5
XT6 FWD Cadillac 21.2
3.7 911 Turbo Porsche 17.1
911 Turbo Cabriolet Porsche 17.1
911 Turbo S Porsche 17.4
911 Turbo S Cabriolet Porsche 16.9
3.8 FRONTIER 2WD NISSAN 20.0
FRONTIER 4WD NISSAN 19.4
Palisade AWD HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY 21.2
Palisade FWD HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY 22.0
Telluride AWD KIA 20.8
Telluride FWD KIA 22.5
4.0 4RUNNER 2WD TOYOTA 17.5
4RUNNER 4WD TOYOTA 17.0
718 Boxster GTS 4.0 Porsche 19.3
718 Cayman GT4 Porsche 19.2
718 Cayman GTS 4.0 Porsche 19.3
718 Spyder Porsche 19.2
911 GT3 Porsche 15.7
911 GT3 Touring Porsche 15.8
August 14th, 2022 at 10:55:37 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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The 500cc thing is just something I heard. I’ve also always heard going too big can really affect 4 bangers. All kinds of balance things come into play.
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August 14th, 2022 at 12:38:15 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
The 500cc thing is just something I heard. I’ve also always heard going too big can really affect 4 bangers. All kinds of balance things come into play.


I suspect you are correct as these are the biggest cylinder in 4 bangers on sale in 2022. Basically if it was useful to go bigger somebody would have done it.

Bore & Stroke
94.0 mm & 100 mm = {694 cc per cylinder} 2,776 cc Chevy Colorado (2.8L I-4 Turbo-Diesel) turbocharged 237 hp and 259 lb-ft of torque.
95.5 mm & 102 mm = {731 cc per cylinder} 2,923 cc GMC Canyon (Vortec 2.9L I-4) 185 hp | 190 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm

These are engine options on a Subaru Crosstrek compact SUV. A cylinder size of 500cc is the smallest engine Subaru makes and produces serviceable performance, but since it isn't turbocharged your not going to get a lot of power or torque.

Bore & Stroke
84.0 mm & 90 mm = {499 cc per cylinder} 1,995 cc FB20D engine 152 hp | 145 lb-ft Subaru Crosstrek base trim
94.0 mm & 90 mm = {625 cc per cylinder} 2,498 cc FB25D engine 182 hp | 176 lb-ft Subaru Crosstek sport trim
99.5 mm & 79 mm = {614 cc per cylinder} 2,457 cc EJ253 engine 174 hp | 176 lb-ft Subaru Forester more than 10 years ago