Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

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Expensive energy may have killed more Europeans than covid-19 last winter
Our modelling estimates that high energy prices claimed 68,000 lives

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/10/expensive-energy-may-have-killed-more-europeans-than-covid-19-last-winter

Quote: odiousgambit

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https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/10/expensive-energy-may-have-killed-more-europeans-than-covid-19-last-winter

That's the fault of the vaccines saving too many lives.

Quote: odiousgambit

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https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/10/expensive-energy-may-have-killed-more-europeans-than-covid-19-last-winter

Wow
A "may have" article
Social media has no convinced you to post meaningless "may have" articles.

Average temps were up 6% here this past winter. Least snowiest (2.8 inches) winter in NYC recorded history. Despite the 20% increase in the cost of natural gas, my heating bills were down 30%.

No complaints from me about global warming.

At least not until the alligators get here.

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Average temps were up 6% here this past winter. Least snowiest (2.8 inches) winter in NYC recorded history. Despite the 20% increase in the cost of natural gas, my heating bills were down 30%.

No complaints from me about global warming.

At least not until the alligators get here.

I have mentioned to Kenarman, Canada is poised to be the next climate paradise. Maybe don't live to close to coast, or at least live off a solid elevation. (as opposed to one of California mudslide houses which collapse underneath).

Btw, I would bet those multimillion houses in California collapsing under mudslides were completely predictable. No excuse when you've got the money to invest in something that expensive and not doing due diligence.

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Quote: Tanko

Average temps were up 6% here this past winter. Least snowiest (2.8 inches) winter in NYC recorded history. Despite the 20% increase in the cost of natural gas, my heating bills were down 30%.

No complaints from me about global warming.

At least not until the alligators get here.

I have mentioned to Kenarman, Canada is poised to be the next climate paradise. Maybe don't live to close to coast, or at least live off a solid elevation. (as opposed to one of California mudslide houses which collapse underneath).

Btw, I would bet those multimillion houses in California collapsing under mudslides were completely predictable. No excuse when you've got the money to invest in something that expensive and not doing due diligence.

You don't have to be a geotech specialist to know what cliffs are unstable. If a cliff face is soil or sand and nothing is growing on the slope it is because it is not stable and is eroding. Stable slopes have vegetation growing on them.

The river valley in my city has many unstable areas that usually erode slowly. Two years ago we had a 1.5 acre 25' thick piece let go and slide down 1000' to the river bottom intact. When it got to the bottom the trees were still upright and the grass and bushes were intact. Now when you look at it the piece it looks like it has been there forever.

There’s a perverse effect on property values in disaster prone areas driving up values due to more limited properties, therefore economically justifying continued rebuilding where from any other perspective it doesn’t reasonably make sense. The lowest tier of desirability doesn’t meet the math equation to rebuild, so they generally get bought out and then driven out by the subsequent further increas in values nearby. People only move as far away as they “have” to, it’s a reason why you don’t see mass migration out of disaster prone areas where people claim to believe in human climate impacts (hi california.)Hence the crazy rise in urban property values in the West and Florida. It would have to get really bad. No one providing services will be able to afford to live there but they are largely trying to robot, outsource, and zoning code out working class population away from them already anyway. It then pretty much always makes sense to build back in enclaves in a pretty ridiculous cycle.

Property values are really already too high in much of Canada imo to make migration of any scale unlikely imo. Think about there’s a lot of countries who are much more climate vulnerable and economically unstable than North America or Europe, they’re mostly not moving there, they mostly just die if it gets that bad. When it gets hot here people get ice cream and turn on the air conditioning.

A lot of the upper Great Lakes region of US has had aging or declining populations, stagnant property values. Those would be areas where it would be theoretically easy to do so. However anything but an occasional city in those areas at the moment tends to have zero interest in positioning themselves to be welcoming to any “outsiders” moving in from an infrastructure or governing perspective, actively guarding against the possibility of anything economically good happening to their communities in fear of how people might vote. The only answer in those places are bending over backwards re:taxes to businesses to be in their otherwise hostile environment, and punishing residents via property tax rates and petty nuisance fines. But even if climate becomes a significant migration factor, it’ll likely just be replacing the aging population there. Already an aging population, and in a scenario where climate impacts human life it’s the old/vulnerable that won’t be able to withstand it first, and between that, theoretically more area being uninhabitable, the world’s population would no longer be growing.

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Property values are really already too high in much of Canada imo to make migration of any scale unlikely imo. Think about there’s a lot of countries who are much more climate vulnerable and economically unstable than North America or Europe, they’re mostly not moving there, they mostly just die if it gets that bad. When it gets hot here people get ice cream and turn on the air conditioning.

Canada's population increased by over a million last year the bulk of it immigrants. The largest increase by number of people ever, but at 2.7% less than the 3.3% during the baby boom after the war. We don't have a hope in hell in building enough housing for everyone at that rate.

If it’s anything like the US you’ll zone much of it so that people aren’t allowed to build new homes sized for anyone who’s going to be living in 40 years anyway.

Quote: rquiredusername

People only move as far away as they “have” to, it’s a reason why you don’t see mass migration out of disaster prone areas where people claim to believe in human climate impacts (hi california.).

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Regardless of climate change, if you’re economically advantaged, you can believe in climate change but stay in high risk areas. Either you can afford insurance at any rate it’s offered or literally build up to a resistant standard, like the guy on Indian Beach whose house was built to withstand 200mph winds and so forth.