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October 3rd, 2017 at 7:46:36 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: rxwine
Half the people I know started disliking Trump long before there was any push at all. You just had to listen to him.

That's how the real world works.

If fact, tell anyone who cares about politics at all the policies first and they don't care about the name. You don't like gun control, or a pro-choice, you don't even need to hear who the candidate is.


The old problem with that way of picking a candidate is that no candidate will support everything that you would support yourself. You can try and prioritize things and pick the candidate that supports what you consider the most important issues.

What really happens is most candidates know that if they profess a few important positions then they can lock your vote up. Once elected they do what they want. If we want to get back to electing good people we must be willing to do a little more work. Investigate how the candidate got to be where they are today, try to determine honesty, try and determine if their past decisions and current positions have been made from a frame work of investigation or expediency.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
October 3rd, 2017 at 8:49:36 PM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: kenarman
Quote: rxwine
Half the people I know started disliking Trump long before there was any push at all. You just had to listen to him.

That's how the real world works.

If fact, tell anyone who cares about politics at all the policies first and they don't care about the name. You don't like gun control, or a pro-choice, you don't even need to hear who the candidate is.


The old problem with that way of picking a candidate is that no candidate will support everything that you would support yourself. You can try and prioritize things and pick the candidate that supports what you consider the most important issues.

What really happens is most candidates know that if they profess a few important positions then they can lock your vote up. Once elected they do what they want. If we want to get back to electing good people we must be willing to do a little more work. Investigate how the candidate got to be where they are today, try to determine honesty, try and determine if their past decisions and current positions have been made from a frame work of investigation or expediency.


What I'm saying, if you know your positions on things, it doesn't matter, for instance, how much Ted Cruz campaigns for me. I don't find most of his positions acceptable from day one. Day 600, same.

If you're a big one issue candidate, then that one issue takes precedence. Anyone who fails on that one issue is out from the beginning if you hold that issue in extreme high importance.

If you're a moderate, you probably looking for someone in the middle. Extremists on either side are not going to interest you.

If you're pointing out that candidate say all sorts of things and sometimes do others. Nothing new there.

The only thing that would surprise me in politics is one candidate everyone finds acceptable.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
October 4th, 2017 at 12:48:07 AM permalink
Fleastiff
Member since: Oct 27, 2012
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Quote: rxwine
Like the cocaine using monkeys. Just keep pushing the handle that delivers the drug.
In reality do caged monkeys opt for cocaine or is it caged monkeys in an isolated solitary confinement who do so? Rats in a cage go for drugs but rats living in Rat Heaven Environments forgo drugs.
October 4th, 2017 at 1:21:44 AM permalink
rxwine
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Where's rat heaven?
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
October 4th, 2017 at 2:50:17 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Half the people I know started disliking Trump long before there was any push at all. You just had to listen to him.

That's how the real world works.


And those same people probably disliked every GOP candidate. You are still not getting it. The real powers want to pick who runs on either side. They are happy to "take turns" in the WH. Just so long as the chosen one gets the nomination, then can pay back all their favors. Trump upset this system.

Do you really think the GOP Congress can't pass their agenda all of the sudden when Trump won? Reality is they do not want the outsider at their country club. Life ain't what you learned in high school civics.
The President is a fink.
October 4th, 2017 at 4:31:01 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: rxwine
Where's rat heaven?
Sorry. That term "rat heaven" is a term that in fact refers to any environment which from the rat's point of view is simply a great place to live. It would feature lots of other rats, lots of female rats, lots of places to hide and dig tunnels, etc. Rats living in an enriched environment will sample a cocaine or heroin infused water supply only once whereas rats living in solitary confinement in a wired cage will take drug-laden water to escape their mental pains.
October 4th, 2017 at 4:59:11 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: rxwine


Typical conservative, no abortions except for his mistress
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
October 4th, 2017 at 5:18:11 AM permalink
ams288
Member since: Apr 21, 2016
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Quote: terapined
Typical conservative, no abortions except for his mistress


I'm just glad his "mistress" wasn't an 11 year old boy. That's how it usually ends up with these hypocrites...
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
October 6th, 2017 at 8:07:14 AM permalink
Nareed
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Perhaps the whole problem of wage stagnation comes from the fact that employers stopped regarding employees as an investment, and now see them as a cost to be reduced. Thus outsourcing, for example, or the way Uber recruits independent contractors rather than hire employees.
Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER
October 6th, 2017 at 9:34:16 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Kaspersky Labs software compromised.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/report-russia-hacked-nsa-documents-aid-antivirus-software/
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan