The Coronavirus thread

Quote: rxwine

For a product as important as healthcare, capitalism hasn't worked. It's pretty easy to see it's never going to become affordable through competition.

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Quote: JCW09

Totally agree, those greedy researchers at Pfizer & Moderna should be taken out and shot in the public square.
No doubt a universal health care system with crammed down pricing would have produced better vaccines & quicker.
I mean look at all the other quality Covid vaccines produced outside our horrible US System being used around the world.
70% efficacy is good enough, don't let anyone tell you differently!
The nerve of US Big Pharma, getting a vaccine with 95% efficacy developed in under 12 months.
Didn't they realize there were a lot more over 65 year olds that needed to die to make the Medicare/Soc. Sec. Trusts solvent again.
I hope people are refusing the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine & waiting for the FDA to approve the Chinese/Russian alternatives.
I am pretty sure those Commies didn't file for patent protection so there should be generic pricing from Day 1.
Astra Zeneca vaccine is likely here first, but I think they also filed for US Patent protection and again, 70%. It's up to you.
If you reward capitalism by taking BIg Pharma's patented vaccines & medications, you're just part of the problem.
Stick to your convictions, refuse on patent medications & if there isn't a generic yet, just wait or use an older generation alternative Rx.
You may have to wait a while for you Covid vaccine. Don't fret, just stay locked in your home and keep buying those KN-95 masks.

Quote: AZDuffman

What on earth are you talking about? Compare available health care now to even the 1970s. Amazingly better.

Now, you do not get to see a doctor for $20. It cost $100 or more to get a diagnostic on your car yet people think a doctor visit is supposed to be cheap.

Quote: rxwine

Somehow you both make my point and miss it at the same time.

Let's see how many people end up in bankruptcy from servicing their car vs paying for medical care. Likewise, you can probably take the bus, or take uber, or get a ride. You need a new heart, or emergency care, there often isn't so much a waiting option available or some alternative.

Quote: AZDuffman

The thing is capitalism has made many more treatment options, better options. Do you want 1950s care just cheaper? Or instead of a Corvair that cost $9,000 new today do you want an Escape with modern tech?

Quote: DRich

Yes, by a Russian surgeon that I have great respect for.

I was assigned an orthopedic surgeon that did his training in Bakersfield California, sadly he wasn't available the day of my first appointment so I was assigned a different surgeon. This one was trained at Johns Hopkins. I don't know a whole lot about medicine but I believe Johns Hopkins beats Bakersfield every time.

Quote: terapined

I may be using my vaccine card for the 1st time
Thinking of seeing the Number 3 ranked Ducks at Autzen Stadium Sat nite
Tix still available
Will definitely bring my mask
Its an outdoor stadium so somewhat safe
Haven't been to Autzen since the Grateful Dead played there in 1994