Biden's Biggest Blunder

October 1st, 2021 at 9:56:12 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Who's the arbiter of this nonsense of the higher power?


For starters the Declaration of Independence mentions it.
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October 1st, 2021 at 10:06:58 AM permalink
Evenbob
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For starters the Declaration of Independence mentions it.


Which was written my modern theists. Don't you find it odd that in religious books like the Bible and Quran human rights cannot be found. Find the place in the New Testament where Jesus condemns slavery. He never does because slavery in his time was not a bad thing. That slavery was a violation of Human Rights took a long time to evolve.
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October 1st, 2021 at 12:05:53 PM permalink
Gandler
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For starters the Declaration of Independence mentions it.


It actually originally did not, it was edited in after certain Christians in Congress wanted it added.

Jefferson was not thrilled about its addition. (Jefferson wrote the original draft).

Also, thats all irrelevant, as that is not a legal document (in the sense of laws being based on it). Our Constitution is what matters. And, its made pretty clear that there is no official religion.
October 1st, 2021 at 12:59:15 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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It actually originally did not, it was edited in after certain Christians in Congress wanted it added.


It says it, and it is among the most meaningful lines in any document ever. Without it, the rest carries not near the weight.

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Also, thats all irrelevant, as that is not a legal document (in the sense of laws being based on it). Our Constitution is what matters. And, its made pretty clear that there is no official religion.


No, but it is dated "In the year of Our Lord....." like many legal docs were pre-1900s. Meaning it is not to be an atheist document.
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October 1st, 2021 at 1:14:29 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Beijing Joes senility is making him forget that he can't do this anymore. This is really creepy from anybody let alone the president.

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October 1st, 2021 at 2:19:21 PM permalink
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October 1st, 2021 at 2:19:46 PM permalink
odiousgambit
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Beijing Joes senility is making him forget that he can't do this anymore. This is really creepy from anybody let alone the president.
I seem to have missed anything creepy. I'm no fan, but I'm not going to go anal on the guy either

well, the old footage of the hair sniff, that's creepy, but the one at the baseball game, what? Having his hands surround her but on the rail? Sometimes you give a pass.
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October 1st, 2021 at 2:50:25 PM permalink
Evenbob
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IHaving his hands surround her but on the rail?


It would be weird for anybody to do that, my wife certainly would not allow it from somebody not her husband. For a president to do it it's totally improper and creepy. It's controlling, it's I have you penned in so you can't get away. Women do not like that as well they should not. Imagine that's a man Biden is doing that to. Now do you see it? Doing that to another man would be super weird and super creepy. Doing it to a woman in the 21st century is just as bad.
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October 1st, 2021 at 4:16:06 PM permalink
Gandler
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It says it, and it is among the most meaningful lines in any document ever. Without it, the rest carries not near the weight.



No, but it is dated "In the year of Our Lord....." like many legal docs were pre-1900s. Meaning it is not to be an atheist document.


Oh come on, "In the year of Our Lord" in a date stamp makes a document Christian?

Does AD and BC (instead of CE and BCE) also make a document Christian? If so almost every document and paper more than a few decades old is "Christian"....

I agree that the Declaration of Independence was one of the most meaningful documents in history.

Personally, I prefer Jefferson's original draft:

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/ruffdrft.html

Even though technically is says "god" (lower case), it does in the sense of "nature's god" (much more deistic).

"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for a people to advance from that subordination in which they have hitherto remained, & to assume among the powers of the earth the equal & independant station to which the laws of nature & of nature's god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the change." (Full version below)

" When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for a people to advance from that subordination in which they have hitherto remained, & to assume among the powers of the earth the equal & independant station to which the laws of nature & of nature's god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the change.

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independant, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these ends, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government shall become destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, & to institute new government, laying it's foundation on such principles & organising it's powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety & happiness. prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light & transient causes: and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. but when a long train of abuses & usurpations, begun at a distinguished period, & pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to subject them to arbitrary power, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government & to provide new guards for their future security. such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; & such is now the necessity which constrains them to expunge their former systems of government. the history of his present majesty, is a history of unremitting injuries and usurpations, among which no one fact stands single or solitary to contradict the uniform tenor of the rest, all of which have in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. to prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world, for the truth of which we pledge a faith yet unsullied by falsehood.

he has refused his assent to laws the most wholesome and necessary for the public good:

he has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate & pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has neglected utterly to attend to them.

he has refused to pass other laws for the accomodation of large districts of people unless those people would relinquish the right of representation, a right inestimable to them, formidable to tyrants alone:

he has dissolved Representative houses repeatedly & continually, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people:

he has refused for a long space of time to cause others to be elected, whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise, the state remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, & convulsions within:

he has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither; & raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands:

he has suffered the administration of justice totally to cease in some of these colonies, refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers:

he has made our judges dependant on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and amount of their salaries:

he has erected a multitude of new offices by a self-assumed power, & sent hither swarms of officers to harrass our people & eat out their substance:

he has kept among us in times of peace standing armies & ships of war:

he has affected to render the military, independant of & superior to the civil power:

he has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitutions and unacknoleged by our laws; giving his assent to their pretended acts of legislation, for quartering large bodies of armed troops among us;

for protecting them by a mock-trial from punishment for any murders they should commit on the inhabitants of these states;

for cutting off our trade with all parts of the world;

for imposing taxes on us without our consent;

for depriving us of the benefits of trial by jury;

for transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offences: for taking away our charters, & altering fundamentally the forms of our governments;

for suspending our own legislatures & declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever:

he has abdicated government here, withdrawing his governors, & declaring us out of his allegiance & protection:

he has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns & destroyed the lives of our people:

he is at this time transporting large armies of foreign merce naries to compleat the works of death, desolation & tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty & perfidy unworthy the head of a civilized nation:

he has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, & conditions of existence:

he has incited treasonable insurrections in our fellow-subjects, with the allurements of forfeiture & confiscation of our property:

he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

in every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms; our repeated petitions have been answered by repeated injury. a prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a people who mean to be free. future ages will scarce believe that the hardiness of one man, adventured within the short compass of 12 years only, on so many acts of tyranny without a mask, over a people fostered & fixed in principles of liberty.

Nor have we been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. we have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend a jurisdiction over these our states. we have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration & settlement here, no one of which could warrant so strange a pretension: that these were effected at the expence of our own blood & treasure, unassisted by the wealth or the strength of Great Britain: that in constituting indeed our several forms of government, we had adopted one common king, thereby laying a foundation for perpetual league & amity with them: but that submission to their parliament was no part of our constitution, nor ever in idea, if history may be credited: and we appealed to their native justice & magnanimity, as well as to the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations which were likely to interrupt our correspondence & connection. they too have been deaf to the voice of justice & of consanguinity, & when occasions have been given them, by the regular course of their laws, of removing from their councils the disturbers of our harmony, they have by their free election re-established them in power. at this very time too they are permitting their chief magistrate to send over not only soldiers of our common blood, but Scotch & foreign mercenaries to invade & deluge us in blood. these facts have given the last stab to agonizing affection, and manly spirit bids us to renounce for ever these unfeeling brethren. we must endeavor to forget our former love for them, and to hold them as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends. we might have been a free & great people together; but a communication of grandeur & of freedom it seems is below their dignity. be it so, since they will have it: the road to glory & happiness is open to us too; we will climb it in a separate state, and acquiesce in the necessity which pronounces our everlasting Adieu!

We therefore the representatives of the United States of America in General Congress assembled do, in the name & by authority of the good people of these states, reject and renounce a11 allegiance & subjection to the kings of Great Britain & all others who may hereafter claim by, through, or under them; we utterly dissolve & break off a11 political connection which may have heretofore subsisted between us & the people or parliament of Great Britain; and finally we do assert and declare these a colonies to be free and independant states, and that as free & independant states they shall hereafter have power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, & to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, & our sacred honour.

October 1st, 2021 at 5:53:09 PM permalink
fleaswatter
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YouTube links don’t work anymore, so no one can view your trolling attempt.


Really?

The youtube link works fine for me.

Maybe you need to update your computer: