Ukraine conflict

March 3rd, 2023 at 1:52:15 PM permalink
rxwine
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Ukraine has started their withdrawal from the Bakhmut area. It has been quite a while but Russia has accomplished something. Most think it is very insignificant military wise but should be good for Russian PR.


Aha! I should be a commander. Taking too many losses if there are better positions behind you is wiser than staying for symbolic fighting. Unless you know you're really on the cusp of something. Ukraine has fewer forces to lose.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
March 4th, 2023 at 2:41:09 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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A user (Clandestine) on Twitter was censored for about 11 months before he got freed after Elon bought Twitter.

The person posted a remarkable theory about the Ukraine War and includes 17 posts in sequence each representing a thread.

One post #6 (one thread) is tied to another user's 28 sequenced posts (Blue Canaries).


The person begins with pics of Senator Obama and Senator Lugar in Ukraine in 2005 showing shell casings of (chemical/biological?) weaponry.

The person later mentions the first shot of the war was C-19 and the reason Putin invaded is to prove the bio-weapons.

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Jan 29, 2023

1) Now that I have everyone’s attention, allow me to address why US establishment politicians are sending tanks, jets, weapons, equipment, and $100+ billion to Ukraine.

It has nothing to do with Ukrainian citizens, and everything to do with Deep State assets/secrets in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1619886316371726341

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Then all of the sudden, our government claims the Wuhan leak was likely.

So the government admits a conspiracy theory?

Not hardly. Way too easy.

I've been around long enough to know the difference.


Hello Houston! Come-in.
March 6th, 2023 at 12:48:16 AM permalink
PotPie
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The link is a fascinating blow by blow account of the battle for the Ukranian city of Bakhmut.
The Ukranians are more than holding their own.
The Russians are using a contractor army filled with convicts.
Both sides are suffering enormous casualties.
You start reading and it almost seems like a football game.
And then you think to yourself, people are dying by the thousands.
This is no game.



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-bakhmut-battle.html
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March 6th, 2023 at 1:55:21 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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I often think of Risk the board game when thinking about war strategy.

In the Risk game, holding the area represented by Ukraine is very tough to do.

It takes a high amount of resources for the return.

The game designers should have paid more to hold it.
March 6th, 2023 at 3:00:20 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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Interesting article written by the same person that was smeared by MSM and censored on Twitter in regards to the above linked Ukraine bio-lab theory.

Does this sound like a mad-man?

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Putin’s Speech Analysis: Bioweapons and Human Experimentation in Ukraine

Sep 30, 2022
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“Let’s answer some very simple questions for ourselves. Now I would like to return to what I said and want to address also all citizens of the country – not just the colleagues that are in the hall – but all citizens of Russia: do we want to have here, in our country, in Russia, ‘parent number one, parent number two and parent number three’ (they have completely lost it!) instead of mother and father? Do we want our schools to impose on our children, from their earliest days in school, perversions that lead to degradation and extinction? Do we want to drum into their heads the ideas that certain other genders exist along with women and men and to offer them gender reassignment surgery? Is that what we want for our country and our children? This is all unacceptable to us. We have a different future of our own.”
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“Let me repeat that the dictatorship of the Western elites targets all societies, including the citizens of Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This complete renunciation of what it means to be human, the overthrow of faith and traditional values, and the suppression of freedom are coming to resemble a “religion in reverse” – pure Satanism. Exposing false messiahs, Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” These poisonous fruits are already obvious to people, and not only in our country but also in all countries, including many people in the West itself.”
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https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/putins-speech-analysis-bioweapons

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March 7th, 2023 at 7:05:50 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: DoubleGold
Interesting article written by the same person that was smeared by MSM and censored on Twitter in regards to the above linked Ukraine bio-lab theory.

Does this sound like a mad-man?

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Putin’s Speech Analysis: Bioweapons and Human Experimentation in Ukraine

Sep 30, 2022
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“Let’s answer some very simple questions for ourselves. Now I would like to return to what I said and want to address also all citizens of the country – not just the colleagues that are in the hall – but all citizens of Russia: do we want to have here, in our country, in Russia, ‘parent number one, parent number two and parent number three’ (they have completely lost it!) instead of mother and father? Do we want our schools to impose on our children, from their earliest days in school, perversions that lead to degradation and extinction? Do we want to drum into their heads the ideas that certain other genders exist along with women and men and to offer them gender reassignment surgery? Is that what we want for our country and our children? This is all unacceptable to us. We have a different future of our own.”
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“Let me repeat that the dictatorship of the Western elites targets all societies, including the citizens of Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This complete renunciation of what it means to be human, the overthrow of faith and traditional values, and the suppression of freedom are coming to resemble a “religion in reverse” – pure Satanism. Exposing false messiahs, Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” These poisonous fruits are already obvious to people, and not only in our country but also in all countries, including many people in the West itself.”
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https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/putins-speech-analysis-bioweapons

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Even if you believe every word Putin said, do you think his trying to take over Ukraine is actually motivated by those thoughts? Or rather he’s just a megalomaniacal despot leader? Do you think the risk (hundreds of thousands of deaths, billions of dollars wasted, infrastructure destroyed, world wide ostracism, etc..) outweighs the benefits of this war (I can’t think of any benefits for Russia).

There are plenty of other ways for Putin to address the gender issues of a small fringe of the population than killing untold people.
March 7th, 2023 at 7:59:32 AM permalink
rxwine
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Even if you believe every word Putin said, do you think his trying to take over Ukraine is actually motivated by those thoughts? Or rather he’s just a megalomaniacal despot leader? Do you think the risk (hundreds of thousands of deaths, billions of dollars wasted, infrastructure destroyed, world wide ostracism, etc..) outweighs the benefits of this war (I can’t think of any benefits for Russia).

There are plenty of other ways for Putin to address the gender issues of a small fringe of the population than killing untold people.


It's sadly hilarious that people who are suspicious of government, also think Putin is some definition of truth, justice or democracy. He's a government leader with no real checks on power. Only check might be a coup.

It's not even apparent he has even an inner circle with any real power over him. At least not so far. The US was hoping his Oligarchs might have some influence over him. Doesn't look that way either.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
March 7th, 2023 at 8:58:26 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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Quote: SOOPOO
Even if you believe every word Putin said, do you think his trying to take over Ukraine is actually motivated by those thoughts? Or rather he’s just a megalomaniacal despot leader? Do you think the risk (hundreds of thousands of deaths, billions of dollars wasted, infrastructure destroyed, world wide ostracism, etc..) outweighs the benefits of this war (I can’t think of any benefits for Russia).

There are plenty of other ways for Putin to address the gender issues of a small fringe of the population than killing untold people.



I don't know Putin, only quoting what I read.

You are welcome to provide a contradicting quote by Putin.
March 8th, 2023 at 6:30:37 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Looks like it was the Ukrainians who blew up the North Sea pipeline.

Understandable: do what you can to hurt your enemy during times of war.
March 9th, 2023 at 2:29:24 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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It's quotes like this (see link below) that do the damage.


Seymour won't release the source, but Seymour's word backed with Biden's Freudian slip is good enough for me to doubt.

The recent competing source implying USA innocence, is also anonymous, but even if there were a valid source, it wouldn't be as credible with Biden yapping the opposite.


It's obviously a nice target to hit, but not in a proxy war when persons using the natural gas are the citizens of proxy allies.

Judge Napalitano, mentions Ukraine sympathizers, which could be NATO members, including the USA.


The article is a good one.

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US and Norway blew up the Nord Stream Pipelines: Seymour Hersh

16 FEBRUARY 2023
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...Biden openly said, “If Russia invades . . . there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
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https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/22973-us-and-norway-blew-up-the-nord-stream-pipelines-seymour-hersh.html

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