Ukraine conflict

February 24th, 2025 at 6:34:48 PM permalink
missedhervee
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The US voted with Russia today in the UN against Europe: Trump ordered the US rep not to agree that Russia started the war in Ukraine.

Just...wow.

Trump is beyond being a craven coward: he's a treasonous MF that should be treated like the rabid dog he is.
February 25th, 2025 at 5:14:49 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: missedhervee
The US voted with Russia today in the UN against Europe: Trump ordered the US rep not to agree that Russia started the war in Ukraine.

Just...wow.

Trump is beyond being a craven coward: he's a treasonous MF that should be treated like the rabid dog he is.


100% he is officially the worst President in American history.
February 25th, 2025 at 6:06:18 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Gandler
100% he is officially the worst President in American history.


It sounds like someone may be forgetting about James Buchanan.
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February 25th, 2025 at 7:41:46 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: DRich
It sounds like someone may be forgetting about James Buchanan.


If you look at the historical rankings (before his current Presidency,) it was close before, but Buchanan was still often the worst. However, I think it's fair to say he has already lost that place....

Buchanan is an interesting character, he is often chided for not stopping the Civil War, but he was in a tough position, so I am hesitant to be critical on that front (he clearly made mistakes.) I think the most abhorrent thing he did was sending the Army to massacre the Mormons and place a new Governor in Utah.
February 25th, 2025 at 11:32:22 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Funny how prejudices work.

I took a course in college on comparative religions, taught by a prof who was Baptist.

He taught that the main reason women went to Utah and became Mormon was because they were too ugly and had such rotten personalities that they could not find a man to marry them back east.

He said they were so desperate and that there were so many of these harradins that they gladly shared a Mormon man with other desperate women.

Oddly he never voiced his opinion about magic Mormon underwear.
February 25th, 2025 at 4:16:17 PM permalink
DRich
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There is a lot of rhetoric right now with the American politics regarding the war in Ukraine. We see Trump flip flopping from being pro-Ukraine last month to being pro-Russia right now. I think what Trump is doing is creating an American primacy by giving both sides both false hope and consternation.

Trump wants minerals from Ukraine at an inexpensive level or for free and when that did not go over well with Zelensky he switched to a pro-Russia position. I don't care for Trump at all but I think he may be handling this brilliantly. Rumors are that Zelensky is back at the table negotiating mineral rights with Trump which may have been Trumps plan all along while giving Russia some false security. If Trump comes to a deal with Zelensky on the mineral rights it will put Russia in a poor position as the U.S. now has some motivation to keep the war going. No matter what you are hearing Russia wants this over more than Ukraine and Russia will be put in a worse position than they are now. In that case Russia will have to concede more at the negotiations which will benefit Ukraine.

I may be reading too much into this but if this is what is happening it is a very smart move to help end the war sooner and to secure the U.S. with mineral rights.


iIt was just announced that Zelensky and Trump have come to an agreement on mineral rights. It will be interesting to see what Ukraine is getting out of this.
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February 28th, 2025 at 7:02:52 AM permalink
rxwine
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Looks real enough, but I'm not 100% sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icakz9_7LW4&t=1s
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February 28th, 2025 at 11:38:07 AM permalink
Gandler
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My understanding is there was no deal, but I have not had a chance to read much on it.
February 28th, 2025 at 11:48:13 AM permalink
rxwine
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My understanding is there was no deal, but I have not had a chance to read much on it.


It was way more interesting than advertised. But not in a good way.
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February 28th, 2025 at 12:45:18 PM permalink
odiousgambit
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what you think of what just happened is going to depend on whose spin you buy

I'll say for sure the parties were very angry with each other before they ever met. You might wonder if Zelensky showed up to make it official rather than to negotiate
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