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February 17th, 2025 at 12:29:28 PM permalink
odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 165 Posts: 6374	Quote: Gandler Yes, liking art and being healthy is certainly what was bad about Hitler... Wow, another guy who can't see I'm pointing out Irony except for Hitler's attraction to Socialism. No Irony there, it's cause and effect I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me]

February 17th, 2025 at 4:36:29 PM permalink

rxwine

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This is reported leaked so no real veracity as yet.

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While Zelenskyy had in the past proposed developing a partnership with the United States to extract key minerals in his country, the proposed deal goes far beyond anything he pitched to President Donald Trump in recent months.

According to the Telegraph, "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/panic-in-ukraine-as-leaked-confidential-trump-peace-plan-astounds-report/ar-AA1zerFB?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=d73ea083d8444e2db34dd67ca93a5922&ei=15

"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.

February 17th, 2025 at 5:11:07 PM permalink
DoubleGold Member since: Jan 26, 2023 Threads: 34 Posts: 4237	The EU better hurry-up with their funding the Ukraine war before they get a Musketeer like audit. I'd imagine the organized crime ring has their hands on their till also and will be uncovered. It'd be difficult to get white Christian men to die for their cause otherwise.

February 19th, 2025 at 8:19:47 AM permalink

rxwine

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I see Trump has found Newspeak of Oceania useful like others on his side. Putin is in the right now, Zelensky is the villain.

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Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe’s money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn’t Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is “MISSING.” He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden “like a fiddle.” A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only “TRUMP,” and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the “gravy train” going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died – And so it continues...

"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.

February 19th, 2025 at 8:25:16 AM permalink
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22930	Trump could just say he no longer wants to spend money on Ukraine instead of being a lying shithead also. "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.

February 21st, 2025 at 4:47:06 PM permalink
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 57 Posts: 5896	Quote: rxwine This is reported leaked so no real veracity as yet. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/panic-in-ukraine-as-leaked-confidential-trump-peace-plan-astounds-report/ar-AA1zerFB?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=d73ea083d8444e2db34dd67ca93a5922&ei=15 That sounds like a negotiating position to me. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a deterrent.

February 23rd, 2025 at 9:21:04 AM permalink

Gandler

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https://www.axios.com/2025/02/23/trump-ukraine-russia-pressure

Trump is completely losing his mind on Ukraine. He wants Russia to keep all territories and Ukraine to pay a few hundred billion (400-500 range) in reparations via mineral rights (The U.S. only gave Ukraine about 120 billion.) And, also a block from joining NATO. Basically Trump is pushing the Russia agenda openly. He is even trying to ban the term "Russian invasion" from the agreement text. Pure lunacy.

February 23rd, 2025 at 9:37:05 AM permalink
odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 165 Posts: 6374	I think Zelensky is the one who won't consider ending the war, so all this is being heaped on him to make him negotiate a peace. I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me]

February 23rd, 2025 at 9:42:13 AM permalink
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22930	Quote: odiousgambit I think Zelensky is the one who won't consider ending the war, so all this is being heaped on him to make him negotiate a peace. What kind of deal would you make if you were Zelensky? "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.

February 23rd, 2025 at 9:43:03 AM permalink
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 30 Posts: 5249	Quote: odiousgambit I think Zelensky is the one who won't consider ending the war, so all this is being heaped on him to make him negotiate a peace. You mean the one who got invaded by another country is the one who won't consider ending the war? ....

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