In the News II

Quote: SOOPOO

The phrase ‘mass shooting’ to me is meaningless as applied. When two gangs from inner cities strafe each other it is different from the true ‘mass shooting’ that you want public policy changed because of. Like the Las Vegas one, for example. Wanna bet not a single one of the people involved in this ‘mass shouting’ was a Republican? Or the South Carolina recent bar shooting?

I’d also bet that whatever gun law you want to enact would not have stopped either of those shootings!

You know that in both jurisdictions there were already laws in place against what happened?

It’s easy. You commit a CRIME while using a gun, go to jail for life. You think it’s Republicans who would be against that ?

Oh no, any kind of mass shooting needs a policy change. The idea that gang attacks should not influence policy change is silly to me.

And, laws I would enact would stop those shootings. Gang shootings exist because of how easy it is to get guns. There is a reason there are not gang shootings in say Switzerland.

As far as if he was a Republican or Dem, probably not either, I would guess career felon who lost voter registration privileges years ago... But, they exist in a State with Republican policies that allow ease of violence.

There is a reason gang shootings and mass shooting happen far more often in Red States. It is easier to be a gang banger in a red state, it simply is easier to get guns.

I agree with the life sentence for gun crime.

Quote: SOOPOO

The phrase ‘mass shooting’ to me is meaningless as applied. When two gangs from inner cities strafe each other it is different from the true ‘mass shooting’ that you want public policy changed because of. Like the Las Vegas one, for example. Wanna bet not a single one of the people involved in this ‘mass shouting’ was a Republican? Or the South Carolina recent bar shooting?

I’d also bet that whatever gun law you want to enact would not have stopped either of those shootings!

You know that in both jurisdictions there were already laws in place against what happened?

It’s easy. You commit a CRIME while using a gun, go to jail for life. You think it’s Republicans who would be against that ?

Well, considering blue states in general have lower rates of firearms crimes and violence, and MA in particular I'd be willing to bet that mimicking what we do here in MA-including our gun laws-would have lowered the chance of those shootings occurring.

Republicans want to remove many gun laws in the US, and have succeeded in doing so.

Quote: Gandler

And, laws I would enact would stop those shootings. Gang shootings exist because of how easy it is to get guns. There is a reason there are not gang shootings in say Switzerland.

Because the Swiss do not have a violence culture like in the USA.

Guns are hard to get in Chicago, yet it has high violence, in a blue state.

Do you really think gang members are submitting to background checks and getting guns legally?? Most of the violence is in just a few areas of a few blue cities. Trump has tried to send in extra enforcement, but Democrat Pols are going to court to stop it.

Yeah, more laws, yeah!

Quote: AZDuffman

Because the Swiss do not have a violence culture like in the USA.

Guns are hard to get in Chicago, yet it has high violence, in a blue state.

Do you really think gang members are submitting to background checks and getting guns legally?? Most of the violence is in just a few areas of a few blue cities. Trump has tried to send in extra enforcement, but Democrat Pols are going to court to stop it.

Yeah, more laws, yeah!

You know perfectly well, that in Chicago they drive about 10 mins into Indiana to get guns... That is the problem with a city that straddles a border on a red state.

No, I know they are not getting guns legally, that is the problem.

And, that is empirically not true, there is more violence in rural areas when you scale per capita. So yes, a city of 10 million has more raw shootings than say Billy Bob county, but when you scale for population, there is a higher rate in Billy Bob county. Per Capita red areas just have a higher percentage of people who commit gun crimes.

Quote: Gandler

You know perfectly well, that in Chicago they drive about 10 mins into Indiana to get guns... That is the problem with a city that straddles a border on a red state.

No, I know they are not getting guns legally, that is the problem.

And, that is empirically not true, there is more violence in rural areas when you scale per capita. So yes, a city of 10 million has more raw shootings than say Billy Bob county, but when you scale for population, there is a higher rate in Billy Bob county. Per Capita red areas just have a higher percentage of people who commit gun crimes.

That is silly. Chicago is far less safe than rural areas. The "rate" does not matter, the volume does. Just one shooting in a rural county can affect the rate. And it is unlikely to be gang violence in the rural areas.

Face facts, blue areas are more violent and crime ridden than rural and red areas. And the pols in those areas not only do not want help, they are suing to keep help out.

Quote: AZDuffman

That is silly. Chicago is far less safe than rural areas. The "rate" does not matter, the volume does. Just one shooting in a rural county can affect the rate. And it is unlikely to be gang violence in the rural areas.

Face facts, blue areas are more violent and crime ridden than rural and red areas. And the pols in those areas not only do not want help, they are suing to keep help out.

Scaling per capita they simply are not. It just seems that way because there are so many people.

But, yes, in some rural county where 10 people live, if one person attacks somebody with a gun, that is a huge crime spike. Versus in NYC if there are a hundred gun attacks 1 weekend that is statistically nothing compared to 10% of the population being gun criminals.

Blue areas are safer statistically by every metric that matters.

Quote: Gandler

Blue areas are safer statistically by every metric that matters.

Except reality. Stats like that are misleading. I remember many years ago the newspaper ranked local districts (Pittsburgh has districts like NYC) and the worst place was some small one most people never heard of. All just size and a few numbers. All you need to do is throw in the better parts of Chicago with the south side and some small town that had only one shooting looks bad.

Duffman would feel safer in a room where 1 person out of 10 is going to be randomly picked to die, than a room where 5 people out of a hundred??

Quote: rxwine

Duffman would feel safer in a room where 1 person out of 10 is going to be randomly picked to die, than a room where 5 people out of a hundred??

What you obviously miss is ITS NOT RANDOM.
The bar I was in was safe. Not so for the bar in SC.
NO GANGS going after Giancarlo’s. But less than 5 miles away there are bars subject to the same type of violence the SC bar succumbed to.

There are some areas in Buffalo that are literally less safe to be in per square mile than Vietnam during the war. Scant 8-10 miles away I live in what is one of the safest cities in America. Same county executive, same governor, same senator, I think even same congressman now after the Democrat gerrymandering. It’s a blue city in a blue state, but that’s not the point. You know the point.


AZ will feel safe in the room in the Red state, because he will avoid the dangerous parts of that Red state. Which coincidentally are where the Blue people reside.

Quote: SOOPOO

What you obviously miss is ITS NOT RANDOM.
The bar I was in was safe. Not so for the bar in SC.
NO GANGS going after Giancarlo’s. But less than 5 miles away there are bars subject to the same type of violence the SC bar succumbed to.

There are some areas in Buffalo that are literally less safe to be in per square mile than Vietnam during the war. Scant 8-10 miles away I live in what is one of the safest cities in America. Same county executive, same governor, same senator, I think even same congressman now after the Democrat gerrymandering. It’s a blue city in a blue state, but that’s not the point. You know the point.

Good. Now compare the counterfactual urban areas in Red Counties, Red Governors, Red state legislators and Red State Congressman due to redistricting and overturning certain voting rights laws. Are they more of less dangerous than those areas of Buffalo you describe? Inquiring minds want to know!

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AZ will feel safe in the room in the Red state, because he will avoid the dangerous parts of that Red state. Which coincidentally are where the Blue people reside.

Governed by Red State laws, as blue cities don't have Home Rule to determine their own firearms laws or criminal penalties. They aren't city-states.

And, at least as of 2024, crime is going down.