Charlie Kirk murder

Quote: AZDuffman

No, because there is not a "straight culture." Such a relationship would be mainstream.



Well, Charlie is not a the government so cannot take anyone's guns away. So your question makes no sense. And while the shooter was not trans, he was in a relationship with a trans guy. So he was clearly down with the trans movement.



No, I would not. I am not like the pieces of garbage out there celebrating this week. I'd be angry with the shooter for making us all look bad.

See, you cannot handle the trans-connection here. A trans shot up a religious school recently, now this. Maybe it is time you need to figure out that these people have some kind of mental issues and instead of encouraging all the pronoun nonsense we need to look at what is causing this all of the sudden.

Meanwhile I see more and more left wingers getting fired from jobs for showing who and what they are celebrating this. It is sad to be so right about what the left is all about.

See you are doing what Kirk did when he said trans shouldn't be allowed to have guns because they commit more mass shootings than any other group. Not only is this not true (it is the inverse,) they actually commit less mass shootings than they statistically should (when you compare them to other demographics on a per capita basis.)

Trans people make up 1% of the U.S. population, and 0.1% of shootings are by trans.

Trans receive more violence than any other group, and commit less violence than any other group, and yet, they are the problem in your eyes....

Quote: Gandler

See you are doing what Kirk did when he said trans shouldn't be allowed to have guns because they commit more mass shootings than any other group. Not only is this not true (it is the inverse,) they actually commit less mass shootings than they statistically should (when you compare them to other demographics on a per capita basis.)

Trans people make up 1% of the U.S. population, and 0.1% of shootings are by trans.

Trans receive more violence than any other group, and commit less violence than any other group, and yet, they are the problem in your eyes....

They receive more violence because they put themselves in line for more violence. For example, a guy pretending to be a woman if he gets another guy physical with him and the guy finds out, just what do you think is going to happen? Yeah, the trans will possibly be on the receiving end of violence.

Again, my problem is their mental instability. Heck, I dealt with one at work a few months back. Showed him how the door opened, you had to hit a button to release it. I showed the button and said a friendly, "now try it!" Like guys talk especially in a blue-collar place. The trans got all offended. For no reason.

Kirk was always polite to anyone when talking tans issues. But the pro-trans side gets upset when you point out science and reality.

Quote: AZDuffman

They receive more violence because they put themselves in line for more violence. For example, a guy pretending to be a woman if he gets another guy physical with him and the guy finds out, just what do you think is going to happen? Yeah, the trans will possibly be on the receiving end of violence.

Same excuse given for women getting raped. They did something to make the guy hot, so it was their fault they got raped.

Quote: missedhervee

What is this "threat" of which you speak?

What, do lefties leave bomb threats?

No, of course not.

The threat, real or implied, of something is most certainly NOT the same as the thing in question; for example if I tell a woman "I plan to knock you up" that is much different than actually impregnating her: e.g. no child support payments for eighteen years.

Similarly if it "is threatening to rain" that does not mean it is precipitating at that particular moment.

This post misses WHAT JUST HAPPENED! No, the lefty left no bomb threat. He just assassinated the ‘Rightie’ speaker. You don’t think the next young conservative ‘influencer’ shouldn’t fear for his/her life due to ‘leftist’ violence? Frankly, I wouldn’t want to be in the public eye due to my politics no matter which side I was for.
I think AZ’s overall point about ‘leftists being bad for society’ is valid even though it may not technically be ‘violence’. Lefties clogging a highway by lying on the ground. Not violence, but bad. Lefties surrounding a guy with his family in a restaurant and cursing him out because he’s wearing a MAGA hat. Quasi protected speech? But bad. There are similar examples on the other side, of course. Yelling murderer at women entering abortion clinics comes to mind. As I was typing this, the word ‘intimidation’ comes to mind as the precursor to violence.

See, the real problem with the Jewish people in Germany is they weren't tolerant with Nazis and should have had a discussion about why Jewish people shouldn't exist.

Maybe Kirk should have argued we should try to get along with trans people even if they are different.

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Middle finger to God": During a 2023 speech at a megachurch, Kirk referred to the existence of transgender people as a "throbbing middle finger to God".

Quote: Gandler

Trans people make up 1% of the U.S. population, and 0.1% of shootings are by trans.

I was stunned to see such a high % quoted. But digging through the statistics ‘non binary’ and ‘gender fluid’ are often lumped in with what you and I would call ‘trans’. Interestingly, they list .25% of people my age as ‘trans’, but up to 3% of people 13-17 as ‘trans’. I’ll let AZ explain the significance of that.

I didn’t follow Charlie Kirk during his life. Other than knowing he was right of right and a Trumper. If Kirk was President, what anti trans laws would he have signed? What ‘trans’ rights would he have abridged?

Quote: SOOPOO

This post misses WHAT JUST HAPPENED! No, the lefty left no bomb threat. He just assassinated the ‘Rightie’ speaker. You don’t think the next young conservative ‘influencer’ shouldn’t fear for his/her life due to ‘leftist’ violence? Frankly, I wouldn’t want to be in the public eye due to my politics no matter which side I was for.
I think AZ’s overall point about ‘leftists being bad for society’ is valid even though it may not technically be ‘violence’. Lefties clogging a highway by lying on the ground. Not violence, but bad. Lefties surrounding a guy with his family in a restaurant and cursing him out because he’s wearing a MAGA hat. Quasi protected speech? But bad. There are similar examples on the other side, of course. Yelling murderer at women entering abortion clinics comes to mind. As I was typing this, the word ‘intimidation’ comes to mind as the precursor to violence.

This is total delusion. Even though they commit way less violence the left is worse because somebody got cursed at, at dinner?

The other side doesn't just yell at women entering abortion clinics. They kill women (and Doctors and other staff) and bomb clinics... This is the key difference between words and violence. And, you can't lump words in with political violence.

Like of all the issues to mention abortion is the worst example, because there is a whole subset of right-wing terrorism that does nothing other than target abortion providers and patients who use their services. And, this is people actually dying.

I think it was Florida from the 80s-early 90s that being an abortion Doctor was actually the most dangerous job in the State (because per capita there was so few, and the ones there were were killed or physically assaulted frequently.).

Quote: SOOPOO

I was stunned to see such a high % quoted. But digging through the statistics ‘non binary’ and ‘gender fluid’ are often lumped in with what you and I would call ‘trans’. Interestingly, they list .25% of people my age as ‘trans’, but up to 3% of people 13-17 as ‘trans’. I’ll let AZ explain the significance of that.

I didn’t follow Charlie Kirk during his life. Other than knowing he was right of right and a Trumper. If Kirk was President, what anti trans laws would he have signed? What ‘trans’ rights would he have abridged?

I'd like to see a further breakdown of that 3% as to race and income. I would guess that it is higher for white, suburban, and higher-income vs. lower income, non-Asian minorities. Back in the 90s those kids all wanted to act black. In the aughts they all wanted to act gay. Now they want to act trans. Rich kids like this have time on their hands, which is why you see left-wing protests at the colleges they go to and never at trade schools. They are actin out what TV is telling them to.

Since Obamacare the trans issue has exploded along with the places that do the process. Follow the money. Taught about it in health class in the mid-80s we were told it was a years long process for just the psych evaluation. Explaining to people that should you do this you might well lose every last person in your life and have to start over. IOW, taken very seriously. Now it seems to be a big money-grab, and to hell with the people you slice up as long as the insurance sends the checks.

I never condoned the abortion violence. I was serving a neighborhood in Buffalo where a abortion doctor was killed back about 1998 maybe 1999. Years later I would daily walk past the "clinic" where the protestors peacefully stood outside the marked exclusion zone, handing out info to those who wanted it.

Quote: AZDuffman

How can they know no problems if it is never audited? People need to actually show up. If they are too lazy too bad. It is an election not publishers clearing house.

Gee, such a "simple solution" for such a simple mind.

Here's how I see it...mail in ballots are mailed to registered voters at their last known address.

The rear of the return envelope must be signed and dated by the recipient before being returned with a voted ballot in order to be "legal:" it must signed under penalty of perjury.

How likely is it that thieves will somehow steal these ballots and fill them out? Not likely at all.

What about "ballot harvesting," i.e. where reps from a particular party approach voters, often poor and black, and ask them to sign their return envelopes in advance and give it to the rep with the blank ballot for the rep to fill out?

I have no problem with that as the registered voter is making an informed decision as to what to do with his / her vote, i.e. let someone else fill it out for you: that is their choice, their "vote."

Quote: rxwine

I'd say the anti-trans movement has been legislatively really successful. They're literally being shut into a smaller and smaller box.

Good, that's what I voted for.

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I suppose most people think they should go quietly. And maybe they should. But some aren't.

As you had an MLK< you also had the Black Panthers. You got both reactions to race discrimination.