Charlie Kirk murder

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-charlie-kirk-free-speech-b2829145.html

Never thought I would see Tucker Carlson as the voice of reason, but even he is warning about the current state of free speech crackdowns from the current admin.

Quote: Gandler

Trans don't use violence for their goals. They are literally less violent that just about any other demographic. They commit less violence than statically that should based on population. About 1% of the pop is trans, about 0.1% of violent crimes are committed by trans. They are basically the safest demographic in America by a wide margin, and yet you guys act like they are out there gunning people down all day...

so you say, in the face of recent events. Well, OK, let's say you are right for the sake of argument, in which case I will address the small segment that is violent only and put them on notice. You don't get a pass.

There are very unsettling elements to the trans violence, such as the question as to the trans-to-male murderers who seem to have been greatly disserviced by being shot up with testosterone. And the follow up question, too... is this sort of thing necessary even if you want to transition?

Quote: odiousgambit

so you say, in the face of recent events. Well, OK, let's say you are right for the sake of argument, in which case I will address the small segment that is violent only and put them on notice. You don't get a pass.

There are very unsettling elements to the trans violence, such as the question as to the trans-to-male murderers who seem to have been greatly disserviced by being shot up with testosterone. And the follow up question, too... is this sort of thing necessary even if you want to transition?

You realize any single event doesn't change overall stats? There could be the worst plane crash in human history today that gets endless coverage. Plane travel would still be the safest form of transportation.

That being said, the killer was not trans, just because he was dating a trans person does not make it trans violence.

I have no idea what unsettling elements you refer to? Like which events specifically are trans violence events you are concerned with?

Quote: odiousgambit

There are very unsettling elements to the trans violence, such as the question as to the trans-to-male murderers who seem to have been greatly disserviced by being shot up with testosterone. And the follow up question, too... is this sort of thing necessary even if you want to transition?

I hope you don't want to outlaw bad health decisions by Americans, because there are so many others I could go on about. Just the overuse of alcohol for starters and how many people it damages and kills even aside from the user.

Quote: Gandler

You realize any single event doesn't change overall stats? There could be the worst plane crash in human history today that gets endless coverage. Plane travel would still be the safest form of transportation.

That being said, the killer was not trans, just because he was dating a trans person does not make it trans violence.

I have no idea what unsettling elements you refer to? Like which events specifically are trans violence events you are concerned with?

"A transgender person named Audrey Hale murdered three children and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, on March 27, 2023" per google. This person was transformed from someone who belonged to a class of person who never does this exact sort of thing, ie a woman, into a class of person known to do it, ie a male. Many pointed out the testosterone treatment at the time.

I am not going to say "in theory", 'perhaps', or 'maybe'. This was just plain the facts. An event that would be as close to impossible as you could ever dream up, made possible because it is oh so important we bring on this brave new world.

"why should that bother anybody" is the question that forms in the mind of people here who shall remain nameless [I have to believe]

Quote: odiousgambit

"A transgender person named Audrey Hale murdered three children and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, on March 27, 2023" per google. This person was transformed from someone who belonged to a class of person who never does this exact sort of thing, ie a woman, into a class of person known to do it, ie a male. Many pointed out the testosterone treatment at the time.

I am not going to say "in theory", 'perhaps', or 'maybe'. This was just plain the facts. An event that would be as close to impossible as you could ever dream up, made possible because it is oh so important we bring on this brave new world.

"why should that bother anybody" is the question that forms in the mind of people here who shall remain nameless [I have to believe]

So just to get this right of the 38 school shootings in 2023 that resulted in deaths, 1 involved a trans person? And, this is the issue you focus on?

Maybe it's more a gun problem than a trans problem? Just a thought.

Quote: Gandler

So just to get this right of the 38 school shootings in 2023 that resulted in deaths, 1 involved a trans person?

It was the deadliest one , as a matter of fact. And ...

Quote: odiousgambit

An event that would be as close to impossible as you could ever dream up, made possible because it is oh so important we bring on this brave new world.

Quote: odiousgambit

It was the deadliest one , as a matter of fact. And ...

And, would it have been less deadly if the shooter was not wearing opposite gender clothes? Or would it have been less deadly if the shooter did not have access to guns?

Quote: Gandler

And, would it have been less deadly if the shooter was not wearing opposite gender clothes? Or would it have been less deadly if the shooter did not have access to guns?

Guns didn’t kill. The tranny killed.

Quote: AZDuffman

Guns didn’t kill. The tranny killed.

but prolly couldn't have done it without a gun