Original Sin?

February 28th, 2017 at 2:50:06 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
It is pretty obvious when Evenbob has no answer.


Answer to what, what's the question. What's
obvious is, you have Vatican talking points
for every subject and we hear them over
and over. I know this because when I go
to Catholic forums, they sound like you
talking word for word. Especially about the
BB, you all parrot each other on that subject.
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February 28th, 2017 at 7:16:23 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Answer to what, what's the question.


Quote: FrGamble
No, just stating a fact that things require causes and are contingent. Do you doubt that? Please tell me have you ever seen anything in your life that did not have a cause for its existence or was dependent on something or someone else? If you have never seen anything that is eternal then why in the world would you assume without any evidence or reason to think that the universe is eternal?
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February 28th, 2017 at 9:08:10 PM permalink
rxwine
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Please tell me have you ever seen anything in your life that did not have a cause for its existence or was dependent on something or someone else?


Exactly why god cannot be. You've given the correct logical reasoning here.
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February 28th, 2017 at 9:25:27 PM permalink
FrGamble
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rxwine, God is not a contingent being but rather is being itself. God is the foundation, cause, and source of all other being. Without this then we find ourselves in an impossible infinite regress eliminating the possibility of a past, present, or future. Logic tells us that such a thing must exist for there to be anything at all.
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February 28th, 2017 at 9:45:02 PM permalink
rxwine
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rxwine, God is not a contingent being but rather is being itself. God is the foundation, cause, and source of all other being. Without this then we find ourselves in an impossible infinite regress eliminating the possibility of a past, present, or future. Logic tells us that such a thing must exist for there to be anything at all.


As predicted, you assign supernatural cause to anything you don't have any answers to.
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February 28th, 2017 at 9:57:57 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: rxwine
As predicted, you assign supernatural cause to anything you don't have any answers to.


Religion is all about the supernatural, the
thing the Amazing Randi offered a million
to prove existed. He still has the money.
The supernatural exists on faith alone,
there is no substance behind it.
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March 1st, 2017 at 5:57:31 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob

The supernatural exists on faith alone,
there is no substance behind it.


Ha, I see what you did there. Look at Bob with the sense of humor.
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March 1st, 2017 at 6:06:21 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: rxwine
As predicted, you assign supernatural cause to anything you don't have any answers to.


Who is more assigning a supernatural cause? I am proposing a logically necessary being based on our observations and experience. You are proposing an eternal material universe that has no beginning or cause for its existence. That is not just supernatural but completely against common sense and experience.
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March 1st, 2017 at 6:37:18 AM permalink
Nareed
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From what I've read they are made up of an amazing amount of empty space. I find that so fascinating.


Nice dodge.

But:

Everything that exists is made up of atoms.
Atoms are not made up of atoms.
Therefore atoms don't exist.


I know what's wrong with the above. But the point is you can use logic to get anywhere.
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March 1st, 2017 at 7:30:52 AM permalink
FrGamble
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But do you know what is logically wrong with the above?
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