Hey FrGamble!
July 16th, 2020 at 8:30:12 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Your statement was about your proof that god exists, not about who Jesus was.. To which I replied "So you say, but never present. Any 'evidence' you have talked about isn't real evidence,"
No, me, and the 92% of scientists in the National Institute of Science in GB, are atheists because we have never seen any compelling evidence for gods existence. Real hard evidence, not theories and hearsay and anecdotal personal stories. Where would you even start to look for a god. You pray and get no answer, You finally come to the conclusion that if he wants me he knows where I am and you keep disbelieving till that day arrives. Why burden yourself till then. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 19th, 2020 at 12:57:36 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 | Hey FrG, have you ever wondered why, if I'm such a big atheist, why did I marry into such a Xtian family. Why did I marry a devout Xtian women? Because they're great. They don't smoke or drink or do drugs. They don't usually cheat on you or get divorced. They don't swear, or have disgusting habits, or lie. My wife refuses to lie about anything. She had the religion beaten into her by a Baptist minister father. I always tell men looking for a wife to start going to church even if they aren't religious. The best looking and best behaved women are in churches. I would never marry a secular woman, too risky. So yeah, there are good things in Xtianity that even an atheist can appreciate. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 20th, 2020 at 11:57:55 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
FrG hasn't responded to this. Or this. http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/1454/150/#post148683 Or this: http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/580/467/#post148684 Or this: http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/1586/322/#post148685 I feel like I'm talking to myself. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 20th, 2020 at 12:25:37 PM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
July 22nd, 2020 at 2:44:02 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Still silence from FrG. Is it because we discovered that: There was no real sacrifice. Jesus died for a day and a half in the myth and awoke to huge rewards. That's the opposite of a sacrifice. There were no 'miracles' like walking on water, even a god cannot violate the laws of physics. We don't live in a comic book world. There is no sin because there is no god to sin against. The very definition of sin is offending a god. My ex priest friend says it was drilled into his head in seminary that Jesus died to save us from original sin. A concept that didn't even exist in Jesus time. In the myth Jesus died for it, in reality he had no idea what it even was. I don't blame him for not answering, his religion has more holes than swiss cheese. It's built entirely of hearsay, anecdotal 'evidence'. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 22nd, 2020 at 4:02:52 PM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4181 |
FrG..... Did Jesus know before he died that he would be resurrected? If he was kept in the dark by the other two deities (God and Holy Ghost) then I could see it being considered a sacrifice. So do the three different Gods keep secrets from each other? |
July 22nd, 2020 at 4:55:26 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I like this one. Sad they took both Frazier and Cheers off of Netflix. We used them for light background sound many times. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
July 22nd, 2020 at 8:32:25 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Jesus was fully god and fully man, so says the myth. The trinity is all one god, not separate entities independent of each other. Jesus knew he was god. Trinity: the Christian Godhead as one God in three persons This concept is nowhere in the NT. It was cooked up much later in the 3rd century. Nobody knows what it means or how it works or knows how to explain it. It's a silly mystery to confound the simple minds of the believers. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 23rd, 2020 at 7:38:33 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
There are no secrets in the Trinity, they are one God because in their community of love they give to each other fully. Think of the ideal love of husband and wife that the two become one flesh. Jesus knew He was God but in His full humanity was not omniscient. The Incarnation meant He was not outside of time. He had a human intellect and was therefore limited in His knowledge and understanding. He had perfect faith and trust in God His Father as we are called to have, but did not know in the sense you mean it in your question of what would happen after His Resurrection. He had the faith of Abraham if that helps to explain it. Another thing that might help is to listen to the song from Jesus Christ Superstar when Jesus is in the Garden of Gethseme. I think it does a fairly good dramatic portal of what Jesus knew and didn't know. Hope that helps. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 23rd, 2020 at 9:27:17 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
And there you have it. Perfect faith in a good outcome is the same as perfect fore knowledge. So you just admitted no sacrifice is possible when you know for sure the deck is 100% stacked in your favor. Thanks for finally seeing the light.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |