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Yet another aviation thread.
| October 30th, 2018 at 5:50:59 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | And maintenance cleared it and crew should have checked the logs. Did they? We already have three versions of the paperwork. |
| October 30th, 2018 at 7:19:20 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Only 219 Max jets delivered as of end of September 94 North America 27 Europe 53 East Asia 21 Southeast Asia 9 Middle East 1 South Asia 1 Central Asia 5 Central America and Mexico 4 South America 4 Africa
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| October 30th, 2018 at 8:05:13 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | By 'they couldn't even glide' I meant the pilots, not the plane. |
| October 30th, 2018 at 4:12:22 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Indonesia to inspect all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes Indonesia has ordered an inspection of all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes belonging to national commercial airlines, a day after Lion Air flight 610 crashed into the sea minutes after takeoff from the capital Jakarta, killing all 189 people on board. Speaking to CNN by phone Tuesday, transportation ministry official Capt. Avirianto said Lion Air currently has 11 of the models in its fleet while national carrier Garuda Indonesia has one. "We have inspected Garuda last night while Lion is still in progress," he said, adding that the ministry hopes to inspect at least three of Lion Air's planes Tuesday night and the other eight soon. When CNN runs a headline like that it seems ridiculous. There are only a handful of this model jet in all of Indonesia. Of course, you are going to inspect all the jets of this model, even before the investigation is complete. It is the most obvious thing to do.
The plane was in 114' of water, which is shallow enough for a recreational diver to bottom. So as these kind of operations go, it is relatively easy. |
| October 30th, 2018 at 5:20:16 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Yes, small area, shallow but maybe I missed hearing about pingers and black boxes, though pinger may have separated at that impact force. |
| October 30th, 2018 at 6:38:20 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11799 | A little more info on the previous flight I copied from AP article Two passengers on the plane's previous flight from Bali to Jakarta on Sunday described issues that caused annoyance and alarm. Alon Soetanto told TVOne the plane dropped suddenly several times in the first few minutes of its flight. "About three to eight minutes after it took off, I felt like the plane was losing power and unable to rise. That happened several times during the flight," he said. "We felt like in a roller coaster. Some passengers began to panic and vomit." His account is consistent with data from flight-tracking sites that show erratic speed, altitude and direction in the minutes after the jet took off. A similar pattern is also seen in data pinged from Monday's fatal flight Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| October 30th, 2018 at 7:26:42 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | EgyptAir Flight 990 flight from Los Angeles International Airport, United States, to Cairo International Airport, Egypt, with a stop at John F. Kennedy International Airport, New York City. On October 31, 1999, the Boeing 767 operating the route crashed into the Atlantic Ocean about 60 miles south of Nantucket Island, Massachusetts, killing all 217 passengers and crew on board. Two weeks after the crash, the NTSB proposed handing the investigation over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as the evidence suggested that a criminal act had taken place and that the crash was intentional rather than accidental. This proposal was unacceptable to the Egyptian authorities. The NTSB concluded "not determined", while the ECAA determined that the incident was caused by mechanical failure of the aircraft's elevator control system. I am afraid that something similar might happen in this case where Indonesia finds it easier to blame mechanical failure on Boeing then to take responsibility. |
| October 30th, 2018 at 8:12:31 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | It can still be mechanical but hard to duplicate on the ground... the repair crew cleaned the electrical connection but in a new airplane there shouldn't be any gunk in there and there probably was not. So if it was a jack screw stabilizer problem it was irreproducible on the ground and any test procedures couldn't duplicate it. Trouble is that if the pilots realized that was their problem from the 'feel computer' feed back they would have made a turn that was exceedingly gradual. Egyptian air was a criminal act but even ordinary Egyptians refused to accept it. No tradition of openness in Indonesian investigations. No tradtion of thoroughness in matintenance either |
| October 31st, 2018 at 5:23:57 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Looking more likely IF reports are to be believed that transponder pings appear to be coming from further out to sea than the known debris field, indicating an inflight separation of the stabilizer which is of course catastrophic and unrecoverable. |
| October 31st, 2018 at 7:56:05 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
583 27 March 1977 Pan Am Flight 1736 and KLM Flight 4805 Tenerife, Canary Islands, Spain 520 12 August 1985 Japan Airlines Flight 123 Ueno, Japan 349 12 November 1996 Saudi Arabian Flight 763 and Kazakhstan Airlines Flight 1907 Charkhi Dadri, Haryana, India 346 3 March 1974 Turkish Airlines Flight 981 Fontaine-Chaalis, France 301 19 August 1980 Saudia Flight 163 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 298 17 July 2014 Malaysia Airlines flight 17 Hrabove, Ukraine 275 19 February 2003 2003 Iran Ilyushin Il-76 crash Kerman, Iran 273 25 May 1979 American Airlines Flight 191 Des Plaines, Illinois, United States 265 12 November 2001 American Airlines Flight 587 Queens, New York, United States An "inflight separation of the stabilizer" was the cause of 12 November 2001 accident which was the second worst in the USA by death toll, and 9th worst worldwide. |