The Biden Presidency 2021

October 13th, 2021 at 10:10:16 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: RonC
Of course, some will miss the boat or plane. Look at those who get to the airport late and miss cruise ship departures from ports. Getting to 100% was impossible. The problem to me is that we said that we would (our leader did) and we did not even make a best effort to get there based on the plan. We also brought out a lot of people who weren't vetted in any way; that can lead to other problems down the road.

Operations like this will never be perfect...I just think that we could have done better nd the Congressional testimony seemed to support that position.


Sorry to annoy you with your pet peeve. But the one war exit situation Trump did nothing to impress me he would have been skilled. ===>Bye Bye Kurds and good luck.

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Kurdish forces, long among the Middle East's most fearsome, are credited with halting the IS advance. More than 11,000 Kurds lost their lives in that conflict.

“Do you know why no one in the Middle East likes the Kurds?” said Mohammid Ahmid Ibrahim, the son of a Kurdish commander and the young man who speaks English. “Because Kurds support Israel. Kurds and Israelis are friends.”

In this turbulent moment in global affairs, the young men said they were afraid for the future of Kurds and Kurdistan. They said they felt abandoned by the United States and potential targets for their enemies.

Kurdish peshmerga — literally, a term meaning “facing death” or “those who face death” — forces were heavily involved on the side of the U.S. in both the Gulf War in 1991 and in the Iraq invasion of 2003.

“Without the Kurds, would it have been possible to take Saddam Hussein?” Abdulqader asked rhetorically. “Would America have been able to invade Iraq if the Kurds had been with Saddam Hussein? Were the Kurds thanked for all this? For all these wars? I'm not going to say anything else.”


https://www.courthousenews.com/badolato-the-town-where-kurds-find-peace/
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October 13th, 2021 at 10:36:38 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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The biggest failure of this administration is its expectation that its spend trillions of dollars we don’t have agenda would sail through because there are 50 Senators who are willing to mortgage our future. Without knowing that all 50 were in line with that, it was MORONIC to put it out there like it was going to happen. The imbecile Administration set itself up for failure, and has made Manchin and Sinema more powerful than Biden. The small cadre of ‘progressives’ in the house have seen how that works, and are using their power to hamstring Biden as well.
October 13th, 2021 at 10:56:05 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: SOOPOO
The biggest failure of this administration is its expectation that its spend trillions of dollars we don’t have agenda would sail through because there are 50 Senators who are willing to mortgage our future. Without knowing that all 50 were in line with that, it was MORONIC to put it out there like it was going to happen. The imbecile Administration set itself up for failure, and has made Manchin and Sinema more powerful than Biden. The small cadre of ‘progressives’ in the house have seen how that works, and are using their power to hamstring Biden as well.


I hope the Democrats eventually realize that public support doesn't last very long if it involves internal squabbling and get to agreeing to something.

Aside from that...if one of them dies, then the stupidity of delay will dawn on them too late. We almost lost the ACA that way.
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October 13th, 2021 at 11:16:33 AM permalink
RonC
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Quote: rxwine
Sorry to annoy you with your pet peeve. But the one war exit situation Trump did nothing to impress me he would have been skilled. ===>Bye Bye Kurds and good luck.


Judging him on that is fair. Just as judging Biden on his failure is fair. That does not mean you can connect the dots and say he would have failed just like Biden did.
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October 13th, 2021 at 12:15:59 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: RonC
Judging him on that is fair. Just as judging Biden on his failure is fair. That does not mean you can connect the dots and say he would have failed just like Biden did.


Biden has not "failed" at all, at least not yet.

He did the right thing and pulled us out of Afghanistan: no compelling reason to be there.

The exit strategy was a bit preciipitous but so was Vietnam.

History repeats itself, or so they say.
October 13th, 2021 at 12:58:19 PM permalink
rxwine
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Whatever else, the Afghans had years to prepare for the inevitable moment when we left. Turned out only the Taliban had a solid plan.
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October 13th, 2021 at 1:01:50 PM permalink
rxwine
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With any luck, maybe the Taliban will get painfully entangled in internal issues and keep the ne'er do wells preoccupied for a long time.
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October 13th, 2021 at 1:16:42 PM permalink
RonC
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Quote: missedhervee
Biden has not "failed" at all, at least not yet.

He did the right thing and pulled us out of Afghanistan: no compelling reason to be there.

The exit strategy was a bit preciipitous but so was Vietnam.

History repeats itself, or so they say.


Getting out was the consensus "right thing to do" and I have no reason to condemn that move though there are plenty of folks that think it was a bad idea due to the relatively small force needed to keep the Taliban in check. I also doubt our ability for "over the horizon" work because eyes on target is important.

His failure was to adequately press the Taliban for time to get those who helped us out of there, the fact that more folks were not brought out earlier, the chaos that was predictable at an airport in a city (organize a better strategy to keep people further away and better control who gets close to the airport), and not better controlling who got out. As the guy who has a mighty pen that can undo many things Trump did, he had no sword to push the envelope or at least try to do so.

History does repeat itself if you don't learn how to do it a better way and the President failed to make it happen in a better way.

Will it matter in November 2022? Who knows. If it is a bad thing with a string of good things after it, probably not. If they keep saying and doing things like they have been working on the supply chain for a long time (Psaki said since they got there), appoint a task force no one seems to know about months later, have the VP say a while back to get your Christmas crap early, and then finally wake up from nap time to do something about it in mid-October, they will be in bigger trouble. If they do some good things, it all ends up being behind him.

My bet is that he is not going to do much better.
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October 13th, 2021 at 1:34:26 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Yes, Uncle Joe is pretty lame, but I'd rather have a leader nodding off at the wheel occasionally than a crazy man driving hellbent for destruction during a demolition derby.

Tough choice.
October 13th, 2021 at 1:47:50 PM permalink
ams288
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As much as it upsets the righties to hear, Biden’s biggest election mandate was to not be Donald Trump. As long as he doesn’t magically switch bodies with the orange turd, he can’t fail at that mandate.
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