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Why aren't battery power vehicles cheaper?
| June 18th, 2022 at 5:40:45 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18213 |
Not as hot as Phoenix, either. That last 20F makes a difference. The President is a fink. |
| June 18th, 2022 at 6:10:27 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4525 | You only have half the range with the heat also because you have to run the A/C. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| June 18th, 2022 at 6:23:00 PM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 96 Posts: 3103 | This is just so unbelievably stupid, forcing EV's on us when the technology and infrastructure is not in place. What were they thinking? |
| June 18th, 2022 at 7:27:28 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18764 | I guess no one told Phoenix it is too hot for EV There's 4 Tesla dealerships in Arizona, the closest one to Phoenix is 12 minutes away.
April 2022. The city's committee on electric vehicles has recently released a plan for how Phoenix could have up to 280,000 electric vehicles registered in the city by 2030.
Now Duffman will explain how Tesla is giving a battery warranty of 8 years or 100,000 away for free because according to him they can't possibly last long enough. Al gore got more right than Duff ever will. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
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| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Before the year 2000 electrical production in the nation inreased at the following rate
Petroleum is consumed in the year 2020 amounted to 9.437 trillion kWh (assuming 33.7 kWh per gallon).Transportation used 66% and light duty vehicles were 54% of transportation. Engines are about 38% efficient today. So Light Duty vehicles used 1.25 trillion kWh of petroleum in the year 2020. Electricity generated in 2020 was 4.009 trillion kWh. So we would need an extra 1.25 trillion kWh, but we would probably have more than a decade to add that capacity. So we would have to recreate the percent increases of the 1990s, not earlier decades. There is some problem with that analysis. The 4,009 billion kWh of electricity generated in 2020 came from the following sources 774 coal 792 renewables 790 nuclear 36 petroleum and other 1617 natural gas So in addition to adding 1,380 kWh for EVs, we may want to replace some of the older dirtier sources (in particularly coal). Now California has pledged to eliminate nuclear and natural gas, so they have a bigger task,
Right now the region with the lowest carbon emissions from electricity is made in upstate New York state. Upstate has about 2% of nations population and primary sources are 25.0% natural gas, 32.2% nuclear, and 34.9% hydro. California is 42.3% natural gas, 7.9% nuclear, and 16.1% hydro + roughly 33% renewables (mostly solar, but partly wind) Despite not having a famous renewables program, upstate New York has 51.3% of the carbon emissions of California. So right now upstate New York would see the greatest advantage in carbon dioxide emissions by switching from gasoline to electric vehicles. But every state would see some advantage, but with Wyoming and West Virginia seeing the least since they are so heavily dependent on coal in electricity generation. Here is ranking of states by carbon dioxide emissions produced from electrical generation. You might be surprised at how dirty Hawaii and colorado are on the list. There was a proposal called the Plains & Eastern Clean Line a 720-mile , 4,000 MW long-distance HVDC transmission line to bring wind power in Oklahoma to consumers in the Southeastern and Mid-Atlantic United States via the existing Tennessee Valley Authority grid. It was cancelled.
WA and ID have huge hydroelectric dams. Vermont and Maine depend heavily on electricity from Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant in New Hampshire and Millstone Nuclear Power Plant in Connecticut. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| June 19th, 2022 at 11:17:52 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18213 |
Time will tell how it turns out. There was some study once how EV range went down in the cold winter which surprised nobody who lived n said cold areas even if the EV cult was. Phoenix heat kills car batteries. That cannot be disputed. Algore said FL would be underwater by now didn’t he? The President is a fink. |
| June 19th, 2022 at 11:31:08 AM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 96 Posts: 3103 | Just as the hippies in stumptown once drove Volvos, now there's lots of EV's in Portland. It's a bonus that our moderate climate leads to maximum batter life locally. |
| June 19th, 2022 at 12:49:06 PM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4969 | How long will it be before the majority of new cars being sold are electric? At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| June 19th, 2022 at 1:57:40 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18213 |
At the moment many manufacturers are going at EVs like they went FWD in the 1980s. Eventually that was most of what they offered. Now, an EV is a far bigger adjustment than FWD was. But that does not mean some people will not just go along. The first thing to see is what happens when more mainstream vehicles go EV. Do people want an EV or do they want a Tesla? Will the Camry driver want an EV same as the motorhead who wants a Mustang Mach? A 2% market shift per year is considered big in the auto industry. The President is a fink. |
| June 19th, 2022 at 2:20:26 PM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 96 Posts: 3103 | I'll not by an EV, "just because." I maintain my old cars and take them on long trips; long trips are out of the picture with EV's due to difficulties in finding convenient charging stations plus the long amount of time needed for a full charge. No, give me a few minutes at a gas station to "fill er up" and I'm off once again. |