Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

Okay since you and I seem to keep missing each other with me asking the same questions and you saying the same old stuff, lets just chalk this failure to communicate up to original sin. .

What am I failing to communicate about original
sin? Do you understand my position that to believe
in a savior you first have be convinced there is
something to be saved from. Once there, a savior
is the next logical step. Trying to convince a non
believer that OS is real is like trying to convince
a 6 year old that spinach tastes good. Never gonna
happen..

Quote: Evenbob

Do you understand my position that to believe in a savior you first have be convinced there is something to be saved from.

well exactly. You do have to accept that central tenant to be a priest.

1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people—
2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

Quote: Pacomartin

1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people—
2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

Ah, Timothy. Don't get me started..

Quote: FrGamble

You wouldn't believe in something for no good reason would you? Of course not.

I think I can conclusively say that I can finally prove you wrong on a statement you made.

I'm a Leafs fan.

Try and reconcile that with the above quote! =p

;)

You got me there Face!

;)

Quote: Evenbob

What am I failing to communicate about original
sin? Do you understand my position that to believe
in a savior you first have be convinced there is
something to be saved from. Once there, a savior
is the next logical step. Trying to convince a non
believer that OS is real is like trying to convince
a 6 year old that spinach tastes good. Never gonna
happen..

Correct.

Here is a great quote from Flannery O'Connor. I think it speaks a little bit to some of the difficulties we have in first having to realize the uncomfortable truth that we need a savior; that we are broken. Especially appropriate as we enter into the Church's three most holy days:

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it emotionally. A higher paradox confounds emotion as well as reason and there are long periods in the lives of all of us, and of the saints, when the truth as revealed by faith is hideous, emotionally disturbing, downright repulsive. Witness the dark night of the soul in individual saints. Right now the whole world seems to be going through a dark night of the soul.” - Flannery O'Connor

Quote: FrGamble

Here is a great quote from Flannery O'Connor. I think it speaks a little bit to some of the difficulties we have in first having to realize the uncomfortable truth that we need a savior; that we are broken. Especially appropriate as we enter into the Church's three most holy days:

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it emotionally. A higher paradox confounds emotion as well as reason and there are long periods in the lives of all of us, and of the saints, when the truth as revealed by faith is hideous, emotionally disturbing, downright repulsive. Witness the dark night of the soul in individual saints. Right now the whole world seems to be going through a dark night of the soul.” - Flannery O'Connor

Was this also the reasoning for 'indulgences'
'Indulgences' removes any credibility the church had

Quote: FrGamble

first having to realize the uncomfortable truth that we need a savior; that we are broken.

A tough sell, padre. These are no longer ignorant times
when the priests could cram their doctrine down the
throats of the unwashed masses. What looks broken to
us outsiders is the Church, they're the ones that need to
be saved. From themselves. The rest of us are doing just
fine.

It's one thing to be doing fine it's another to be doing great. You can try to deny it but you were not made to be mediocre. In fact just settling for fine is more proof of original sin. You were made to be awesome and we all need some help to get there.