Original Sin?
August 16th, 2018 at 10:18:25 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
When there is no god, he can be on everybody's side. He is whatever you want him to be. Or nothing at all. For an atheist, this is clear as a bell. For those burdened with a god belief, it's perpetually confusing. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 17th, 2018 at 11:08:07 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | "Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for “open recognition” of the Catholic church’s homosexual culture in light of recent revelations of sexual abuse. “I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Burke said in an interview Thursday, “especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.” How many times have I said this to FrG in the last 5 years, and how many times has he pooh-poohed it. Saying, Oh Bob, you're so wrong, where do you get this stuff. So I was 100% right, there in a massive underground Gay culture in the Church. How is it possible that I, an atheist outsider, knew this, and a priest on the inside did not? So I have to ask myself, did FrG really know this about his own Church and was just covering it up, which is what they do. Or did he truly not know, which seems a mathematical impossibility. Somebody find the rock he said he's crawled under ask him. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 17th, 2018 at 2:19:14 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I still can't believe it even though the facts are hitting me right in the face. I apologize to you Evenbob. I can honestly say that I am and have been completely unaware and ignorant of the rot in the Church. I just can't see it, but perhaps there is some type of homosexual lobby or clique, but I am completely unaware. Perhaps that is why I am a happy little priest doing my own thing without any big responsibilities. I never saw it in seminary and I have never seen it in the priesthood. I feel like an atheist - just because I didn't see something I didn't believe it was possible even when people showed me evidence of the reality. I feel stupid and embarrassed and I admit that it looks like Evenbob was certainly more correct than me in regards to the homosexual culture in the Church. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
August 17th, 2018 at 2:59:42 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I knew two Gay men in Calif, who were older. They joined the AF when they got out of college as officers, to avoid the draft. They said there was a huge Gay underground in the military. It was very hush hush, you would be kicked out if caught. None the less, they said they never got more Gay action than the military. They would approach young men who just got out of boot camp and, using their rank, get some of them to perform Gay acts. Then they would pass the kids name around the Gay infrastructure so other officers could get the kid too, now that he had committed a court martial offense. It sounds like what's happening in the Church. They get kids and 'groom' them for others in their Gay underground. You aren't Gay, so why would you be privy to it. The Gay men who are officers in the military, and Gay priests, would be above average in intelligence and could hide their activities well. What's amazing in the Church, and probably the military, is it goes right to the top levels. It's insidious and very hard to get rid of. Impossible, with rules they have for an all male clergy. They will retreat, and become active again when the hysteria dies down. It's the same old story, using your position of power to take advantage of those weaker than you. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 17th, 2018 at 5:35:28 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | That investigation was just Pennsylvania. A lot of it was able to be corroborated because of bishop's records. It makes me wonder about other states, if people in those states will start to come forward, and if the bishop's in those states kept similar records. Did the records stop at the bishops of Pennsylvania, or did they pass the reports higher up? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
August 17th, 2018 at 6:15:04 PM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4517 |
Padre that post which I am sure must have shaken you to the core of your beliefs actually makes me hopeful for the future of your church. May you someday be Pope. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
August 17th, 2018 at 8:00:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Always went higher up, the Church is very anal about record keeping. It's always meant to be kept internal, so why hide anything. They were very meticulous in keeping accurate records of the Inquisition tortures. Scream by scream, they wrote it all down. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 19th, 2018 at 10:55:53 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | This is a bishop no less: “It is time to admit that there is a homosexual subculture within the hierarchy of the Catholic Church that is wreaking great devastation in the vineyard of the Lord,” writes Madison Bishop Robert C. Morlino on Saturday in a sharply worded letter to the faithful. “We are talking about deviant sexual — almost exclusively homosexual — acts by clerics,” he states, referring to a recent report from a Pennsylvania grand jury as well as scandals involving a Honduran seminary, Chilean clergy and bishops, and a prominent U.S. cardinal. “We’re also talking about homosexual propositions and abuses against seminarians and young priests by powerful priests, bishops, and cardinals,” Bishop Morlino writes. The homosexual subculture afflicting the hierarchy of the Catholic Church is wreaking great devastation among the faithful, he notes. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 19th, 2018 at 11:22:49 AM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I wonder if anyone is running the numbers to see if attendance is down because of all this exposure, or are parishioners just blithely showing up for mass, like it didn't happen to them so, it won't? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
August 19th, 2018 at 2:20:47 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Sure they show up. Where is that hole in the ground, the ostrich says.. Brainwashed for life, they have no choice. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |