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The local news reported new Florida driver's license will show if someone is a convicted sex offender.

Quote: rxwine

The local news reported new Florida driver's license will show if someone is a convicted sex offender.

That's a good thing, you know. It makes them
think twice before doing it in the first place.
It's a form of shaming, which I say always
works and FrG says never works. He's
wrong.

Oh my goodness gracious, I thought we came to understand that we were pretty much in agreement around this issue. The problem is and has always been your sloppy language and lack of nuance. It is clear that shaming does not ALWAYS work and it is just as clear that it NEVER works. Only a fool would take such extreme positions. If you mean that just putting a dunce cap on someone, putting someone in the stocks, or putting them on a list of sex offenders is by itself going to change behavior in the long run you are wrong. I think you need punishment, but it should come along with something to reinforce good behavior or rehabilitation. These sex offender lists may have value in protecting children but it destroys the life of the offender. You can no longer get a job and you often become a lonely pariah feeling rejected by everyone, ironically the same type of feelings that lead to the horrible act of abuse in the first place. I don't know what the answer is in regards to protecting our communities from pedophiles and tend to think a list is a good idea, I just don't know the reasoning behind putting it on the driver's license. Does the bartender need to know you are a sex offender? What is next a scarlet letter?

Quote: FrGamble

, I just don't know the reasoning behind putting it on the driver's license.

It's a deterrent, it makes people think
before doing the crime. Just like the
death penalty keeps people from
committing murder. In MI if you use
a gun in a crime, it's an automatic
5 years on top of what the judge
gives you. It works great in keeping
armed gun robberies down.

You want your crime on your DL? Hell
no, so don't do the crime.

There is no evidence that the death penalty deters anyone from committing murder. You are just pulling stuff out that makes sense to you based on your viewpoint but isn't true in reality.

Quote: Evenbob

You want your crime on your DL? Hell
no, so don't do the crime.

Do you really think it is that simple?

Quote: FrGamble

Do you really think it is that simple?

Do you really think it's that complicated? The
Romans nailed runaway slaves to a cross for
all to see, as a deterrent for slaves not to run
away. Punishments work as deterrents, that's
why they're used. The Japanese used to
execute someone of petty theft, or any crime.
As a result, they had one of the lowest crime
rates in the world, it was almost non existent.

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There is no evidence that the death penalty deters anyone from committing murder.

Really?

Death Penalty Deters Murders, Studies Say

"A series of academic studies over the last half-dozen years claim to settle a once hotly debated argument — whether the death penalty acts as a deterrent to murder. The analyses say yes. They count between three and 18 lives that would be saved by the execution of each convicted killer... Each execution deters an average of 18 murders, according to a nationwide study by professors at Emory University. (Other studies have estimated the deterred murders per execution at three, five and 14)"

At height of tourist season and with perfect weather the Outter Banks have to be totally evacuated due to severed power cable during bridge reconstruction. No ice anywhere, no credit cards, no fuel pumps, one restaurant was heating sausage biscuits on a camp stove by candle light. One place gave away bags of melted ice water to cars with pets in them.
There is no way to do a partial generator re-start since there is no way to shed load to protect the generator when everyone will want to operate air conditioning and other electrical appliances.
Trucks bringing in vital equipment are allowed to exceed weight limits, height and width limits as well as driver's normal work hours.

Estimates for repairs vary from three to six weeks and perhaps longer. Terrible blow to the economy as a result of carelessness by bridge crew.

Lawsuits??

Death Penalty: executing a pick pocket never seemed to deter pick pockets from working the crowd near the gallows.

I think the death penalty streamlines some guilty pleas but only saves lives for someone not particularly predisposed to violence anyway.

Evenbob your facts about the death penalty and how or if it deters any crime is wrong. Keep doing some research.

The bigger problem you have is you seem to think that if we just made the punishment henious enough then no one would commit crime. If we boiled people alive for cheating on their taxes no one would cheat on their taxes. That is not wrong and shows a childish and naive view of human nature. It would behove you to think about the nature of humanity and why is that even with the worst punishment imaginable we still feel tempted to and do commit evil acts.

North Korea says they now have an ICBM that can reach the lower 48. Feeling safer yet?