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Quote: petroglyph

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10605/sweden-failed-state I don't get why Euro leaders don't want to admit that so many of the Muslim immigrants are involved in crime?

It is all about PC as well. Look at just on this board. Point out mulslim problems and you get "I know this muslim he is a good person!"

Europe is collapsing demographically. Many of their leaders see muslims the same way some US leaders see Mexicans, a quick fix to the problem. In both places, though. the same leaders do not understand or willingly ignore the obvious culture clash and problems that will cause.

It is over for Europe, they have let too many immigrate already and the PC culture will not let them close the door to more. What you will see is the same as happened to the Indians 1600-1900. That took 300 years, from first settlements around 1600 to the last tribes being rounded up into reservations in the 1890s.

I'd predict this will take just 100 or so. Instead of reservations, Europeans might end up in more something like the old South African homelands, even within cities. Official or unofficial. The people on those homelands will look at history and ask how this was allowed to happen.

Quote: AZDuffman

It is all about PC as well. Look at just on this board. Point out mulslim problems and you get "I know this muslim he is a good person!"

Europe is collapsing demographically. Many of their leaders see muslims the same way some US leaders see Mexicans, a quick fix to the problem. In both places, though. the same leaders do not understand or willingly ignore the obvious culture clash and problems that will cause.

It is over for Europe, they have let too many immigrate already and the PC culture will not let them close the door to more. What you will see is the same as happened to the Indians 1600-1900. That took 300 years, from first settlements around 1600 to the last tribes being rounded up into reservations in the 1890s.

I'd predict this will take just 100 or so. Instead of reservations, Europeans might end up in more something like the old South African homelands, even within cities. Official or unofficial. The people on those homelands will look at history and ask how this was allowed to happen.

Another the world is ending post
ROTFL
Europe is not collapsing
Its thriving
I send business travelers there all the time
Its a big planet, people have been immigrating for centuries
Back when the irish were imigrating to the USA, deluded people were saying the USA would colapse
Immigration has made us the strongest country on the planet

Quote: terapined

Another the world is ending post

And another reply of, "All is well because my little corner of it is well!"

You are looking at it the wrong way. Ask the Indians how well all that immigration worked out for them.

Europe today is where the Indians were in around 1790.

Quote: terapined

Europe is not collapsing

The Euro is. Prosperity can't be printed into existence.

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Back when the irish were imigrating to the USA, deluded people were saying the USA would colapse

For the indians, it did.

Quote: petroglyph

For the indians, it did.

Uncivilized, disjointed nomads, for the most
part. If you get into what the real Indians
were like, instead of the sanitized TV and
movie versions, it's a different picture. They
were mostly filthy, had horrible sanitation,
that's why they moved so much, had no
education for anybody, they were mostly
just rag tag groups who were constantly
at war with each other. They were ripe for
a downfall.

I don't think American Indians are a good comparison to modern society. Even more modern third world societies aren't good comparisons.

Turkey might be the closest example and it's been mostly Muslim the whole time anyway.

And if your country's government is already unstable you're ripe for any power takeover not just Islam. You want to live under Stalin or Pol Pot instead of Islam be my guest.

Quote: rxwine

And if your country's government is already unstable you're ripe for any power takeover not just Islam. You want to live under Stalin or Pol Pot instead of Islam be my guest.

But these governments ARE very stable. It is not government being taken over, it is the society that is being taken over. Eventually, the governments may change without a shot being fired and the average person not noticing they are in a foreign land after maybe two decades of muslims getting piece by piece changed.

It starts with simple things, maybe muslim cab drivers allowed to refuse a fare for a person with a service dog. Or all the demands you hear about changing menus or something else because it "offends muslims." We are hearing about migrants in Europe harassing women. Eventually that will be so accepted the attitude is, "well, she knew it was a bad neighborhood."

The no-go zones we know about, no matter how much the local mayor wants to deny it.

It is happening before our eyes.

Quote: Evenbob

Uncivilized, disjointed nomads, for the most
part. If you get into what the real Indians
were like, instead of the sanitized TV and
movie versions, it's a different picture. They
were mostly filthy, had horrible sanitation,
that's why they moved so much, had no
education for anybody, they were mostly
just rag tag groups who were constantly
at war with each other.

As compared to who? Did they have the plague? Filthy stinking gutters. Were they so contamitated with lice that they had to shave their heads and wear wigs like George Washington?

Not sure what you mean that they had no education, but they lived and thrived and had an oral history for thousands of years before the whites came.

The Apache where able to hold off the US Cavalry for 40 years here in Az. If not for some traitors they could have held off the US military even longer. They had education that taught their children to thrive off the land, they had art, and pottery and history and social security and health care for their old. They had law and order. They were more civilized than the whites of the day.

Look how many whites went to live with tribes because it was a better life and civiization.

Quote: petroglyph

The Apache where able to hold off the US Cavalry for 40 years here in Az. .

Good for them. One society steam rollers another
society as has happened since the beginning of
recorded time, and we're supposed to mourn
them? It happens, it's always happened. It's
called progress, forward movement. The
Indians were still in the Stone Age, they
hadn't even discovered smelting iron yet.
Some did copper and gold, most didn't
do any at all. They used stone arrowheads
and axes. What were the Europeans supposed
to do, bow down to these, what were to them,
savages? Different times, different attitudes.

Quote: Evenbob

Different times, different attitudes.

We have a town, a college and quite a few statues as well as a song about Lord Jeffrey Amherst, but let us not forget he ordered blankets and pillow cases from a small pox ward be given to the Indians. Disease and dogs killed more Indians than bullets ever could.

White women captives often found Indian society more preferably than white society wherein women had fewer freedoms.

Many mountain men adopted Indian customs and values.