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February 21st, 2023 at 8:20:42 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: rxwine
Any surgeon doing some kind of controversial procedure, that's not urgently time critical, should refuse to do the surgery on first inquiry. "Come back in six months if you still feel the same way and we'll schedule you." They don't need to recommend anything beyond that.


It takes A LONG time from the decision to change genders til an actual surgery happens. I doubt it ever happens within 6 months. I think there are months of psychiatric evaluation, followed by months of hormonal therapy. Then more psychiatric evaluation. I didn’t pay close attention, but I’d bet it was rare for the actual chopping to occur in les than a year from the first declaration to a physician that he/she wants surgery to change genders.
February 22nd, 2023 at 3:27:38 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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This is one side of the medical argument.

Apparently, kids and young adults are engaged on the internet at specific sites and then influenced to make life changing decisions.

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New York pediatric neurosurgeon speaks out against sex changes for kids

“I’ve come to realize, with the growth of gender-affirming surgery and gender-affirming medical care, that we’re right in the middle of an extraordinary medical atrocity.”

Nov 2, 2022
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In an interview with The Federalist, Dr. Michael Egnor, a pediatric neurosurgeon and professor at the Renaissance School of Medicine at Stony Brook University in New York, called the advice parents are being given regarding so-called gender-affirming treatments “basically criminal.”

“I have taught in the ethics course here at Stony Brook,” Egnor told the Federalist. “We teach the students and the young doctors about various ethical atrocities in medical history.” He listed as examples: lobotomies, eugenics and the Tuskegee experiments, which was a study where black men who had syphilis were simply allowed to die even though there were treatments available so that the progression of syphilis could be studied.

“I point out that at the time, all of these atrocities were widely accepted in the medical community,” continued Egnor. “Eugenics was taught in practically all medical schools for many years, the Tuskegee study was presented annually at national medical meetings and nothing was said about it for 30 or 40 years. It was widely accepted and it was a government program, so the government obviously accepted it.”

The lobotomy was also so widely celebrated that its inventor, Antonio Egas Moniz, was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1949 for its invention.
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https://thepostmillennial.com/new-york-pediatric-neurosurgeon-speaks-out-against-sex-changes-for-kids

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February 22nd, 2023 at 9:56:00 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: DoubleGold
This is one side of the medical argument.

Apparently, kids and young adults are engaged on the internet at specific sites and then influenced to make life changing decisions.

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New York pediatric neurosurgeon speaks out against sex changes for kids

“I’ve come to realize, with the growth of gender-affirming surgery and gender-affirming medical care, that we’re right in the middle of an extraordinary medical atrocity.”

Nov 2, 2022
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In an interview with The Federalist, Dr. Michael Egnor, a pediatric neurosurgeon and professor at the Renaissance School of Medicine at Stony Brook University in New York, called the advice parents are being given regarding so-called gender-affirming treatments “basically criminal.”

“I have taught in the ethics course here at Stony Brook,” Egnor told the Federalist. “We teach the students and the young doctors about various ethical atrocities in medical history.” He listed as examples: lobotomies, eugenics and the Tuskegee experiments, which was a study where black men who had syphilis were simply allowed to die even though there were treatments available so that the progression of syphilis could be studied.

“I point out that at the time, all of these atrocities were widely accepted in the medical community,” continued Egnor. “Eugenics was taught in practically all medical schools for many years, the Tuskegee study was presented annually at national medical meetings and nothing was said about it for 30 or 40 years. It was widely accepted and it was a government program, so the government obviously accepted it.”

The lobotomy was also so widely celebrated that its inventor, Antonio Egas Moniz, was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1949 for its invention.
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https://thepostmillennial.com/new-york-pediatric-neurosurgeon-speaks-out-against-sex-changes-for-kids

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So, does the rightwing want censorship of this topic so adults can't influence their kids. (no doubt they don't want kids to learn about it directly)
Does the rightwing want to ban the procedures to save them from something they don't have to allow their owns kids to do anyway?
Does the rightwing want to tell other parents what to do with their kids when some of these kids are obviously happy with procedure?

Hey, I got a few other ideas if we want to protect kids from their parents. What the hell you feeding that kid? You're ingraining poor eating habits that could affect him for life. Bad parent. We will punish this parent. Etc., etc.,
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
February 22nd, 2023 at 10:06:09 AM permalink
rxwine
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Actually, it would probably save the nation from massive future medical costs if we did punish parents assisting kids in bad health habits. So at least there could be some major benefit from it.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
February 22nd, 2023 at 10:17:36 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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I'd focus on the spiritual side as a solution.

It could be a spiritual sickness and the manifestation becomes combined with physical issues.

So instead of addressing the issue with law, address it through a different form of counseling than what is being done now.

Don't focus on a physical way out, focus on why the issue exists and then a spiritual way out.

But generally never force against a person's will, because we all have the right to be wrong.
February 22nd, 2023 at 1:19:37 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: DoubleGold
I'd focus on the spiritual side as a solution.


Probably the silliest idea possible.

Let’s deal with facts, not fairy tale nonsense.
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
February 22nd, 2023 at 1:26:11 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: ams288
Probably the silliest idea possible.

Let’s deal with facts, not fairy tale nonsense.

Yup
Thoughts and prayers dont mean jack
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
February 22nd, 2023 at 1:43:24 PM permalink
DoubleGold
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Admission of a person being powerless and that there's a power greater than the person to make the person whole again.

That's the beginning of healing spiritual sickness.

It's not anything new.
February 22nd, 2023 at 2:35:23 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: DoubleGold
Admission of a person being powerless and that there's a power greater than the person to make the person whole again.

That's the beginning of healing spiritual sickness.

It's not anything new.


It’s also not real. There is no higher power.
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
February 22nd, 2023 at 2:38:15 PM permalink
DoubleGold
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I didn't use the phrase higher power.