Hey FrGamble!

Quote: FrGamble

It's on display in me and other Christians whose life has been changed by the love and hope offered by Jesus.

There's lots of people who are happy and loving that have nothing to do with a god. All you're doing is blaming it on some God when it's really just your opinion. So your God doesn't actually ever do anything, like save children or interject himself in different situations. My wife's family is convinced he gives them green lights and plays their fathers favorite song right when he dies on the radio. Are you saying that wasn't God?

Quote: Evenbob

So your God doesn't actually ever do anything, like save children or interject himself in different situations.

Have you ever read the Bible?

God has saved me and countless others. He is constantly present and is reaching out to us in love. He is doing that for you right this instant.

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My wife's family is convinced he gives them green lights and plays their fathers favorite song right when he dies on the radio. Are you saying that wasn't God?

No I'm not saying that.

Quote: FrGamble

He is constantly present and is reaching out to us in love.

So you claim, yet you have no
examples of gods love at work.
So that's just your opinion.

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No I'm not saying that.

So you're saying god would reach
out to my wife's family and do
something for them, yet he
lets's kids by the thousands die
in Africa and places like St Judes
hospital and does nothing?

Do you realize how sick that is?
What a monster a god would
have to be to do that? It's the
opposite of love, it's selfish
hatred. But you'll never see that
because your blinders prevent it.

Thank god I'm an atheist and
don't have to live like that.

Quote: Evenbob

So you claim, yet you have no
examples of gods love at work.
So that's just your opinion.

How many examples do you want? It is not my opinion that God has saved me land changed my life for the better it is a fact. I don't know how personal you want me to go or what examples you are looking for but rest assured myself and billions of others have had real experiences of the love of Jesus Christ that saved their lives. Have you ever read the lives of the saints? That might be a good place for you to start in learning about God's love at work.

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So you're saying god would reach
out to my wife's family and do
something for them, yet he
lets's kids by the thousands die
in Africa and places like St Judes
hospital and does nothing?

I'm saying he can certainly reach out to your wife's family and He is also with anyone who dies. Why do you think God does nothing? What was the name of the hospital you mentioned? Where did it get that name? Do you think they do good work to help people? Do you think God had anything to do with that?

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Do you realize how sick that is?

That God inspires people to build a hospital and inspires amazing doctors, nurses, and researchers to use their God given intellect and gifts to help people, is that sick? I don't think so.

If you are looking for a sick monster you might try to find someone who just tells someone who is suffering that don't worry there is a 50/50 chance your next life will be better. Good luck and may the odds be in your favor. Do you realize how sick that is?

St Jude children's hospital was built by Danny Thomas in the 1950s. Not by God. It gives free medical care to sick kids and runs on donations only. Danny Thomas said when he was young that he would build a children's hospital if he ever made it in show business God had nothing to do with it.

So far all you've mentioned is anecdotal evidence of God's love. It's not readily apparent anywhere. But everything in your religion is anecdotal, none of it is built on real evidence or real facts. When something good happens, Christians blame it on God, and there is there proof of God's love. It doesn't work like that.

This is what we've learned so far:

1. There was no real sacrifice on
the cross. Jesus died and was up
and about 36 hours later eating
and talking with friends and
went for eternity to heaven. More
of a rewards experience than a
sacrificial one.

2. Prayer doesn't work, been proved
again and again with hospital
patient studies.

3. Gods famous 'love' is not on
display anywhere. Nobody can
point to it and say, there it is.

4. All evidence in Xtionity for
everything it claims is purely
anecdotal. Meaning it's gathered
from stories and rumors. There
is no empirical evidence for
anything in the religion. Empirical
meaning convincing scientific
proof. The general consensus
is using anecdotal evidence
alone is very dangerous, to say
the least. Yet that's what the
entire religion relies on.

I knew one of these posts was coming. It seems like if it has been a few days Bob gets bored and writes some nonsense post demonstrating his complete lack of understanding and unwillingness to have anything close to a rational discussion. What I have learned so far:

1. It is a great sacrifice to try and engage in
any meaningful discussion with Bob. If you
make him think he will immediately stop talking
about that point and move on to something else.
36 hours later he will forget you even mentioned it
at all. There is no reward experience in talking to
Bob.

2. Prayer does work, that has been proved
again and again through miracles and countless
experiences of billions of people. However, I
know that prayer for things and even the
conversion of sinners is not magic. You can't
test it scientifically, imagine trying to have a control group.
God also will not force people to change, they have
to want it. Nevertheless I do not think my prayers
for Evenbob do not work I think they are always
effective and if Bob does not desire to know God
then my prayers will go towards mercy on his soul
or be applied to those who do seek God.

3. God's love is so present just about everywhere
you look, unless of course you don't believe in God.
I have learned that I think Bob is blind to love.
I doubt he could point to any display of love.

4. I have learned that Bob is a sucker for
conspiracy theories and fake news. Bob looks
at strange websites that give obviously false and
angry and biased information and he takes it as
unquestioned truth. I have learned that he is
unwilling to learn and doesn't know how to
make a good and logical argument. The general
consensus is that this is very dangerous, to
say the least. Yet that's what his whole
understanding of religion relies on.

Quote: FrGamble

I knew one of these posts was coming. It seems like if it has been a few days Bob gets bored and writes some nonsense post demonstrating his complete lack of understanding and unwillingness to have anything close to a rational discussion. What I have learned so far:

1. It is a great sacrifice to try and engage in
any meaningful discussion with Bob. If you
make him think he will immediately stop talking
about that point and move on to something else.
36 hours later he will forget you even mentioned it
at all. There is no reward experience in talking to
Bob.

2. Prayer does work, that has been proved
again and again through miracles and countless
experiences of billions of people. However, I
know that prayer for things and even the
conversion of sinners is not magic. You can't
test it scientifically, imagine trying to have a control group.
God also will not force people to change, they have
to want it. Nevertheless I do not think my prayers
for Evenbob do not work I think they are always
effective and if Bob does not desire to know God
then my prayers will go towards mercy on his soul
or be applied to those who do seek God.

3. God's love is so present just about everywhere
you look, unless of course you don't believe in God.
I have learned that I think Bob is blind to love.
I doubt he could point to any display of love.

4. I have learned that Bob is a sucker for
conspiracy theories and fake news. Bob looks
at strange websites that give obviously false and
angry and biased information and he takes it as
unquestioned truth. I have learned that he is
unwilling to learn and doesn't know how to
make a good and logical argument. The general
consensus is that this is very dangerous, to
say the least. Yet that's what his whole
understanding of religion relies on.

Padre - EB's post had to do with the debate this thread contains whereas your post is basically attacking Bob personally

Quote: aceofspades

Padre - EB's post had to do with the debate this thread contains whereas your post is basically attacking Bob personally

I think you are correct, but do you really believe Bob wants or is engaging in debate?!?

Quote: FrGamble

I think you are correct, but do you really believe Bob wants or is engaging in debate?!?

Yes - I do think he is engaging in debate - just as you were before you made personal attacks (no, I am not "reporting" you - just putting it out there that personal attacks are not allowed on this site)