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May 17th, 2017 at 6:30:53 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | The same people who watch UFOs or watch miracles being performed or watch prayers being answered. Can you just imagine if the blatherings of L. Ron Hubbard are ever transferred onto clay tablets and found in rubble sometime in the future? One recent contestant on Naked and Afraid thinks she had sex with the Incubus, another firmly believes he had an encounter with Bigfoot, half the state of New Mexico believe they were taken aboard a UFO and examined. With luminaries like that, no wonder there is a belief in religion and all these events depicted in the Bible. |
May 17th, 2017 at 6:48:25 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
That's hard to say, without full knowledge of the mores, the prejudices, the biases, the goals, the values and the intentions of the author(s) of the fictional work. Unlike the Aeneid, for example, which we know was Roman historical propaganda through and through, deeply embracing of the classical Roman virtues. But in fiction you can paint the enemy however you like. Homer would have you believe the Trojans were a bunch of cowardly wimps, except for Hector, while the Greeks (aka Mycenaeans) were all powerful warriors afraid of nothing. But if so, then how come the blasted war lasted over a decade? Shouldn't Achilles and Ajax alone been able to take on the whole of Ilium, plus Hector, in a couple of hours?
The one thing Juarez ever got right was saying "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees." How would you know Satan and his pals did not prefer freedom over serfdom? Do you know how many subject peoples rebelled against conquering empires? Pretty much all of them at one time or another. Do you know how many evicted their overlords for any length of time? Very few. Do you know how many rebellions were deterred by these facts? Almost none. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 17th, 2017 at 6:56:49 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Jack and the Beanstalk? How does that parable go? |
May 17th, 2017 at 11:47:17 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
It's interesting, the tale is 5000 years old, pre dates the OT by thousands of years. It's about a boy who steals ill gotten treasure from a giant and ends up killing the giant by cutting down the beanstalk as the giant is chasing him. It's a moralistic story, thousands of years before Moses gave us the 10 Suggestions. It was told word of mouth until it was finally recorded a few hundred years ago. Beauty and the Beast is also 5000 years old. They come from an area that spans India to Scandinavia and have nothing to do with the Middle East or wandering desert nomads. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 5th, 2017 at 12:18:58 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 | FrGamble, Everyone would still have a choice if God made a dramatic appearance and told the Islamists they were wrong for killing non-believers. Is there any reason to not do so if he is a God of love? (Other than he doesn't exist, which would be my answer) You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
June 6th, 2017 at 8:43:30 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What is more dramatic than Jesus' appearance on Earth? He is crying out to them in their hearts, in every Christian religious leaders from the Pope on down. There are even many Islamic religious leaders telling these people they are wrong. I wonder why you think some miraculous appearance of Christ would stop the killing? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 6th, 2017 at 9:20:36 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
When Jesus appeared on Earth and got crucified you said it had the greatest single effect of anyone. Now you say a personal appearance is pointless? Look what happened when Moses got a personal message of 10 commandments. And so forth. Even the devil had his best effort showing up to beguile Eve into eating the forbidden Apple. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
June 6th, 2017 at 10:05:43 AM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | You are biblically illiterate. You should not make factually incorrect posts about what the bible or other posters say. Shame on you. |
June 6th, 2017 at 10:49:06 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
FrGamble has previously pointed out how Christianity has infected everything. The laws of many lands. Infected is my word; pretty much same thing though. Same point with Jesus message spreading across the world from the Resurrection. He's made similar arguments.
I used a little hyperbole with pointless, but he is giving the usual deflection on God not doing anything visible. If you can answer better than FrGamble on anything give it a shot. It's why I never ask you. I didn't know you were a bible literacy expert. Where'd you get your training? You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
June 6th, 2017 at 11:05:51 AM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | I'm not an expert. It says serpent, not Satan. Moses came down from the mountain with the ten commandments (the Law) and the Jews went right on disobeying (sinning) the Law. God's presence didn't do much for them. Gambol said Christ's return wouldn't stop the killing. I'm sure he would say it will have a huge effect though. |