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November 30th, 2018 at 8:43:42 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
So you live in a world where Einstein and Hawking and Isaac Aaimov are 'disturbed and dangerous' people. In my world it's the exact opposite. These are the people we love and venerate. It's ones that walk around talking to their invisible friends, and thinking some god is looking out for their every move, those are the people we don't trust. Religious zealots have always been threatened by non believers, it upsets their barely held onto faith that somebody may be smarter than them.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 1st, 2018 at 5:14:59 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | You know very well I'm not talking about the people you mentioned who are all great people and who I too admire in many ways. I think I made it clear that none of the men you mentioned would agree with your radical atheism and none would ridicule someone for their belief in God. The disturbed and dangerous are those atheists we saw throughout the 20th century who along with their followers caused more death and bloodshed than ever before. Non believers even tried a genocide on believers. I think you can excuse me if I am threatened by nonbelievers, not because of their vapid and illogical thinking but because of what it leads to. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 1st, 2018 at 10:37:36 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
You mean like Hitler? He wasn't an atheist, he was a Catholic. He was raised by a zealot mother, and wanted to be a priest at one time. He mentioned god all the time, and though he was hard on the Church, never announced he was no longer a member of it. He even had his soldiers wear belt buckles that had Got Mit Uns inscribed on them, 'God is with us'. Does that sound like an atheist to you? “Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” [1] ~Adolf Hitler “We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out” [2] ~Adolf Hitler How about Stalin? "Stalin was raised as a Christian under the religious influence of his mother, who enrolled him in seminary school, and that Stalin later took it upon himself to study for the priesthood." He later rejected his belief in god, but like Hitler, it was his early Xtion training that turned him into a monster, not a lack of faith. And Pol Pot, he was a Buddhist, and they have no personal god anyway. "Pol Pot's violence, much like the violence of many earlier religionists, wasn’t the result of a lack of belief in a god, but in the megalomaniacal belief that heaven or destiny was guiding him to improve the state of affairs for all those who could be forced to share his misguided utopian delusions. Not only was Pol Pot a Theravada Buddhist, but the soil in which his atrocities were sewn was also very Buddhist." I do wish you'd quit dragging out this old 'atheist atrocities fallacy', it's so tired and it so doesn't work. Trying to deflect the atrocities the Church committed by deferring to those wascally 'atheists'.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 1st, 2018 at 12:52:20 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I do wish you would stop dragging out this old argument that at one point these horrible people believed in God as if that makes them believers. It doesn't work. Your speculation doesn't work and is false. Look instead at their actions. In all of these cases the first places hit hard and destroyed was the Church and other faithful believers. They not only were atheists in thoughts but in actions. They all, including Hitler, replaced God and theology with themselves and their ideologies. No amount of atheistic apologetics can overcome that fact. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 1st, 2018 at 1:37:31 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
It's the only thing that does work. Both Stalin and Hitler were raised by very staunch Catholic mothers, to the point they almost became priests. Stalin went to seminary. They weren't raised by awful godless secularists, they were indoctrinated into the Catholic religion at the youngest age possible. Yet they both became violent hating monsters despite their religious upbringing. That's the root cause of their problem, atheism had nothing to do with anything. They were both young at the end of the 19th century, when the Church was at it's most vocal in it's hatred of the Jews. Stalin and Hitler were taught the Jews were the scourge of the earth because they rejected Christ, had all the wealth, and worst of all were trying to take back the Holy Land as their own. So look to your own Church for what shaped these men, atheism had nothing to do with it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 1st, 2018 at 1:40:00 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | So you think if they would have remained Catholic or would have become priests or faithful people of God they would have been worse? Or do you think it is their rejection of the Church that led to their evil? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 1st, 2018 at 1:48:41 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I think it's the seeds of racial hatred that the Church planted in their brains year after year that eventually made them what they became. Imagine that half the time the sermon is on what a subhuman race the Jews are, that they're cause of every problem in Europe. All because they won't accept Jesus and they have an above average intelligence that leads them to great success in business. Where do you think all the anti semitism in Europe came from. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 1st, 2018 at 1:51:43 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | So you do think that would have been worse if they wouldn't have rejected their faith? Why do you think that everyone else who were faithful Catholics didn't do the things they did? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 1st, 2018 at 2:05:13 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Hitler never rejected his faith, why do you keep saying that. He mentioned god all the time, he said god was on his side, he never renounced his membership in the Church. Do you this he put 'God is with us' on the soldiers belt buckles because he had lost his faith? Why didn't others do what they did? Gee, maybe it's because they weren't megalomaniacal madmen like Hitler and Stalin were. Do you have any idea how much your Church hated the Jews? If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 1st, 2018 at 8:30:36 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Are you saying Hitler who attacked the Church and killed priest and bishops by the carloads did not reject the faith? He did not believe in God as Christians understand God. He replaced God and religion with the state. That you don't see this is frightening to me. Just look at his actions and tell me he did not reject the faith and it's commandments. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |