Will God Survive Science
October 16th, 2017 at 1:59:08 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Haven't you ever watched the news? There are public school boards removing evolution from the curriculum. But I'm not just talking about just public schools, I'm also talking about private religious schools. private religious schools can do it without raising much of a stink - but they are doing their students and society a great disservice just the same. anyway here are a few links http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/12/us/board-for-kansas-deletes-evolution-from-curriculum.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education_in_the_United_States Surely you've heard of the Scopes Money trial? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial it was in 1925 but that's still pretty 'modern' and 'recent' for a church telling a school what they shouldn't teach. a staged event, but still the law was no teaching of human evolution in a state funded school. Betsy DeVos wants to privatize public education, making it even easier to blur the line between public and private schools, and control over the curriculum http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/betsy-devos-christian-schools-vouchers-charter-education-secretary/ there is a very thin line - of just a few judges who will declare such laws like in the scopes trial - as unconstitutional. If those judges weren't there, and the religious-driven governments of some of these states figured that out, there would be a lot more of those laws being passed. You shouldn't need judges to keep laws about religious interference with schools and science off of the books. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 16th, 2017 at 2:07:44 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
That's because it isn't science.
That's not what it means now. This is what it means now:
as for the etemology, right there in this definition, yes the word science is from the latin for knowledge. that isn't the definition of the word science, though, that's just what the word means in latin. I do not accept that everything that is "knowledge" is "science" because "science" is the latin word for "knowledge"
Sure, they do those things. It ain't science, though.
Yes. But it is science. To throw another word here, those non-science pursuits can develop intution in their subjects. It still isn't science. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 16th, 2017 at 2:33:55 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
FrG and his constant attempts to legitimize his quack superstition filled religion. It's never going to work, a dog turd is still a turd no matter how much Channel #5 you spray on it. It'll always stink. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 16th, 2017 at 3:03:36 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | This really bugs me? I go along my merry way just letting all these different factions of jesus people have their way, with all the mantra's and signature clothing and rituals. As long as they don't seem to be physically hurting kids, I like to think that mostly they do more good thn harm. But then I read stuff like this, and leaving them alone doesn't seem like an option, because as soon as you think everybody is going to live and let live, ya find out they are trying to further their agenda that because the rest of us are busy trying to support our way of life, they are sneaking around changing the rules in the darkness. They want to deny education to children in lieu of religious indoctrination. They don't seem to care or realize how much they disturb regular folks who just don't hold their beliefs, and they have protection by the law for pulling this crap. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
October 17th, 2017 at 4:36:57 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I hear ya and this crazy religious stuff upsets me too, especially because it paints us all in a bad light. However, multiply your concerns times 100 and you might get a sense of what I feel like seeing the secular anti-God agenda being pushed all around us from TV, movies, schools, and universities. There is even an aggressiveness against God and faith not usually found even in these very, very few school boards or communities who want just to be left alone in their ignorance and religious beliefs. They don't seem to care or realize how much they disturb regular folks who just don't hold their beliefs, and they have protection by the law for pulling this crap. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 17th, 2017 at 4:40:38 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Oh no, your all powerful all knowing god who created everything can't defend himself against the pitiful humans he created? The fact that you would be upset over something so silly is a sign of how even you doubt gods existence. But why wouldn't you, when it's obvious god doesn't exist. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 17th, 2017 at 5:46:17 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Well yes, yes it does. And as a casual observer it seems to me that say you, or few like you really wanted to achieve the best possible results to help as many as possible and spread gods word, pound for pound your best chance of success is to break away from the church and start anew without all the baggage accumulated by your church over the centuries. What point is there in continuing to defend this church when they get caught in scandal after scandal on a seemingly weekly basis? It seems that the Catholic church spends so much time just not drowning in legal and sex crimes that they have much less time carrying out their purported mission? Unless the mission really is the survival of the corporation, not Christianity? Again, there it is, you are concerned with the us and not the you. I've said before, I do not envy you your position of having to defend that Church. The last couple hundred years or so, it's like they have some kind of ethical plague, if it's not sex scandals around the world, it's money scandals at the Vatican, or finding skeletons around monastery's. I think you would achieve better lifetime results branching out on your own, quit carrying that anchor with you. You might lose some clout, but could spend more of your time doing good work. On a smaller scale, that is how I felt in my first marriage carrying a deadbeat wife, it became impossible carrying my load, and hers, especially when she threw out a 40lb Danforth anchor. Maybe that is what you see, or receive in printouts from the head office, but I don't see anyone trying to breech the walls of the Vatican, other than trying to keep their thumbs off the scale at the bank. I don't see anyone trying to shut down Brigham Young, or Christian colleges, https://www.collegechoice.net/rankings/best-christian-colleges-and-universities/? The schools may have to change their pricing some, but those that are interested, I believe the product they sell is worth a little more if they would lean more toward the science of education and a little more away from the evangelical ? Is there an effort to quash the Amish, other than selling non pastureized milk? You have to admit, it is hard to defend Warren Jeffs. I imagine that does feel like a kick in the guts every time another scandal gets publicity. It must hurt a great deal knowing you are going to be spending more hours defending something, you had nothing to do with? Days and days of your life defending the indefensible? Certainly you would rather spend your time spreading the words of the bible and doing good deeds, than trying to explain another criminal act. I can't imagine waking up with the sun shining, in a fairly good mood thinking you are going to get something good achieved that day, and then see a dark headline and have it feel like the carpet was jerked out from under you. Thanks for keeping up the effort, but consider what I said about branching out and helping more people, with the same amount of effort. Their are a lot of people that need help, the church seems able to defend itself. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
October 17th, 2017 at 7:30:35 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Really? Name one piece of 'evidence' of resurrection outside of the NT. There isn't one and you know it. It's an urban legend. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 17th, 2017 at 7:31:09 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18633 |
I totally agree with the left's attempt to destigmatize sexual identity choice. Other than that, I don't adhere to any particular idea what policies are best for anyone. I could easily disagree with that specific Family Institute of Washington, or some other policy. But where the left wants to let people decide without being accused of not fitting in is worth fighting for. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |