The Coronavirus thread

Quote: terapined

It was very irresponsible of Trump to push this drug
Now there is shortage due to Trumps BS and people with Lupus cant get it

Quote: SOOPOO

But just like you think I am insulated from the financial parts of the crisis because I made a good living, you are insulated from the actual real life and death facts of this. NYC ALONE has 500+ deaths a day for quite a while. Try and get your head around that one. Just like most people really can't understand what a trillion dollars is, 500-1000 dead people a day in a single locale from a single disease which was unheard of last year is difficult to comprehend.

Quote: SOOPOO

So my answer is this...... If the dry cleaners can be open safely, why can't the wedding planning shop? When we were planning our wedding, we would make an appointment, go into the shop, talk with the proprietor, look through albums or at her computer , and make a purchase. The most other people in the store was ONE. She can EASILY conduct business using social distancing guidelines.

Let her open TODAY. No stupid "phases" needed.

My two sons..... One works in a six person office.... big enough to be 'rated' 40 person occupancy. Plenty of room between each other. Almost no clients/visitors ever come there. Let them open TODAY.
Second son works essentially all by himself in a big lab at University of Florida. (Deemed non-essential). There may be others in the same lab but he can easily work using social distancing rules. Let him work there TODAY.

Quote: AZDuffman

But it is not all that bad as so many of the deaths so far are people who were in very bad shape having at most a year left to live.

Quote: AZDuffman

Then add in the lives lost because of suicides, OD's and other ways because of the lockdown and potential depression following.

Quote: kenarman

So was it also irresponsible for the experts to push masks and create a shortage. Was it also irresponsible for the medical "experts" and Cuomo to push for 60,000 ventilators and create a shortage followed by a glut. People go with the best information they have at the time. If we were to follow a controlled scientific procedure we would have half the states in shutdown and half not for 6 months and then spend 2 months examining the data for a proper controlled study on how effective it is.

Quote: SOOPOO

Of course. Much less than that from all sources. At the peak of 1,000 a day, thats 350,000 a year or so. I don't know the number, but it is a fraction of that. We in Buffalo now have more than 100 patients on ventilators in ICUs due to COVID. Probably more than would be from all other causes.
Of course anecdotal, but I've asked my friends at NYC hospitals (during the peak) how many patients they were intubating daily due to Covid. They would say 12, 14, etc.... I asked them how many would they intubate daily for non-COVID reasons. 1-2 on average, if there happened to be a bad car accident maybe 3 or 4.

I know NYC is huge, overpopulated.... But try and close your eyes and see 1000 body bags lined up daily from this ONE cause.

I've said it from day one. At some point we will need open things up despite the additional deaths it will cause. I think in the post you copied part of, I gave some specific examples of businesses that should be open today with social distancing rules in effect.

No one can know for sure how many lives have been saved by crippling the economy.

How about a poll....


I am willing to accept _____ more deaths to fully open the economy.

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My guess is without the original lockdown, the number would have been in the 100,000 range. I think the fatality rate will be lower per case than quoted, and individuals would still have the right to self quarantine. Plus non-crippling changes would help.... hand sanitizers everywhere, masks worn in crowded public areas, etc....

My answer would have been 10,000 additional deaths. Like an add on to a bad flu season.

Quote: rxwine

So, not one big hospital with conservative doctors is in the news using this drug to discredit big pharma. Why? Fox News is closed?

Quote: AZDuffman

What does how the doctors vote have to do with anything? Multiple sources are saying it works. It can be made in huge quantities fast. But no big bucks for big pharma.

Quote: rxwine

I said nothing about voting doctors. There are doctors who would be glad to prove the President right. Why aren't they just turning out cures?

You know why, because what you're suggesting isn't true. They can't show real data, because it doesn't exist.