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Republican Nominee 2024
| January 6th, 2021 at 6:53:46 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11796 |
I dont find your ignorant insults amusing I'm pretty disgusted by your view Your lack of insight into any area regarding diversity is appalling. Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| January 7th, 2021 at 2:02:38 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
Let’s have a little talk. When you look at the numbers, Trump’s strongest segment of people, by a mile,p are white, male, religious (Evangelical) conservatives. It’s true everywhere, but these people are more so found in Southern states. What about Trump appeals to these people? Start with the fact that Trump makes sweeping generalizations about entire swaths of people based on—if I’m extremely charitable—a relative handful of actual cases. Secondly, Trump has used his power and influence to successfully commit adultery we can only guess how many times. Of course, that appeals to these sorts of fellows who see the Bible, really, as nothing more than a weapon that is to be used against other people whilst not holding themselves to the same standards. Third, Trump is unquestionably divisive, not only against the aforementioned swaths of people, but also against any who should have the audacity to challenge him in any way. To this group of people, these are all seen as, “Alpha,” characteristics. More than that, the church, throughout centuries, has been used as a vessel to dictate to others how to run their lives...even if those others don’t follow the teachings to begin with or even believe in God. Once upon a time, the primary mechanisms by which this was accomplished were indoctrination and peer pressure. That failing, they’d go to political influence...which they seem to have lost fairly rapidly. Returning to Trump’s unsubstantiated assaults on untold numbers of people, it would be one thing if this was just some sort of media/entertainment figure, but these Christians (most of them are, anyway) saw fit to make him the President of the United States of America. In defiance of all logic, at that, because there’s really not much about Donald Trump or his conduct that could be more antithetical to the teachings of the Bible. Of course, we know logic isn’t exactly an intellectual strength of these people. With that, Trump gets into office and doubles and triples down on all of these things. You’re disappointed in me? I’m just some random @$$#0!3 of almost zero consequence posting on a message board that very few people visit. He’s the President of the United States of America. The only thing I’m doing is making sweeping and, let’s be frank, mostly ridiculous generalizations, as Trump does, in roughly the same fashion that Trump does (though more well-spoken, in my case) and directing them at the very people who gave Trump the power in the first place. I can’t emphasize this enough: the key difference is that he’s the POTUS and I’m some random jack off who doesn’t even matter at all. But, hate is the kind of language these people respect. They also respect, apparently, broad statements and absurd generalizations. I’m not talking to you; I’m talking to them. Not only am I talking to them, I’m speaking to them in their preferred language. The funny thing is, when I say these things out and about in the world—making sure they can hear me—not a peep from them. I guess they’re not quite as, “Alpha,” as they like to believe they are, but in fairness, I’m a pretty big guy. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| January 7th, 2021 at 7:47:54 AM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11796 |
Lets have a talk GA went blue Why Because a million whites voted Dem The black vote in GA dont mean jack unless Dems can attract a million white voters that you for some disgusting reason hate Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| January 7th, 2021 at 7:53:17 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
I don't hate white voters. Where do you get that from? Anyway, you're not going to get rural, white, male, Evangelical racists. You'll get reasonable white people. There are reasonable white people down there and some of them are even Christians. If you'll read my post again, you'll see I'm just trying to make a point. I did the same thing on WoV before politics talk was banned. Everyone was saying, "The Left This, the Left That," so I took a few hours and spent it linking to sexual abuse stories and cases that EXCLUSIVELY took place in churches. What's the point? The point is that if Trump and his followers can grossly overgeneralize, then so can I. Funny thing about that, they don't find it as amusing when they are the targets. Hell, it ticked you off, and you're not even the target. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| January 7th, 2021 at 8:36:40 AM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11796 |
Grossly overgeneralize is overall pretty gross Its intellectually lazy Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| January 7th, 2021 at 9:17:51 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
I know that. That's the precise point I'm making. I like to make the point that way, from time to time, because I do find my own insults at least somewhat amusing. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| January 7th, 2021 at 3:59:03 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
It is mostly white people who fly the confederate flag (I have seen some others, but that is a fair generalization, I would say in the North it is almost 100% white people, in the south there are actually other races that buy into the whole "southern pride" thing so its actually not unheard of to see non-whites have it......). Personally I am all for free speech. Probably nobody finds the confederate flag more offensive than most probably do -certainly most whites- (I am a nationalist, and believe in unity), but I would never advocate banning a flag because of how I feel. I do think that it should be banned from government buildings because governments should recognize official flags only (I am also glad that military bases finally banned it......) Anyway for the issue of religion. I don't want to get too off topic, but there is no logical reason to hate gay people other than religion (I guess you can say that you are grossed out, which is fine, but being grossed out does not give you a right to ban a consensual activity for adults....) Anyway, we have got into this in other threads, I think religion is the only reason be hate gay people (by hate I mean activity trying to ban, not just being grossed out or whatever....)
Well, its an important distinction, because people who voluntarily join a religion tend to be much more devout. That is why "born again" crowds are usually the most obnoxious.
That is a cheap point with zero context to back it up.... Even if its true, the differences are probably marginal.... I would actually lean towards speculating that the runoff debate had a higher viewership than most senate debates (which, lets be real almost nobody watches), because the "eyes of the country" were on in, and locally there was nonstop coverage about the importance.... So its probably a safe bet that the debate that you refer to had high ratings compared to most senate debates (again just personal speculating, I am sure somebody can look up the numbers)....
I have mixed feelings. I have heard strong arguments from both sides. Much of Europe has a runoff type system (or something similiar), so it appears to work for them (and I guess for GA).
Its really not. Accent is not speaking properly. You can speak perfect English with a southern accent. You can also speak terrible English. Just like you can speak perfect English with a Boston accent or terrible..... etc.... Your overall speech is what matters, not your accent. I guess you can make the vague argument that certain accents tend to lend themselves to poor slang or improper usage or words (but that is a stretch). I
When are you planning on moving there?
Totally the wrong attitude, but lets not go back down that road lol....
Well Mormons were just one example of a "newer" age religion. Scientology for example I don't think any sane person (even most religious people) think is good for anyone (basically they brainwash people and use them as cash cows....) But, my point was new religions will always come out of whatever society humanity is currently living in. As for Mormons, on the surface you are right. But, there are some underlying things that I find odd (actually way beyond odd...). Many are too cheery to the point of almost being creepy (or feeling forced), this is a minor point. And, yes they are more open to debate and mockery than other religions (polar opposite of Islam in that regard, could you imagine what would happen if there was a play called "the book of Islam", well you probably can, no more theater...) However, their church is far more sinister behind closed doors. And, this goes back to the gay issue among other social issues. The Mormon church until recently was a massive sponsor of BSA, they are the ones that forced BSA to require scouts to have religion and the ban gays. (They pulled their funding after the gay ban was lifted, one of several reasons they are in bankruptcy recently). But, they do this back channel type stuff to push social agendas on other groups they fund too. They have more money and power than most people realize for such a small church. And, that is not even getting into the crazy communes in Mexico who live in massive armed compounds with their private militias and other fringe Mormon group. That are not as "safe" as you seem to think. In fact they may be one of the more dangerous religious groups because of their influence and centralized power (perhaps only rivaled by Catholics.... but to their credit at least they are evolving on some of these issues.... and most Catholics do not take their religion seriously anyway, most Mormons do....) Don't get me wrong I know (in fact am related to) very nice cheery Mormons, that does not mean behind the scenes their organization is beyond shady..... Do more research on the Mormon church. You will be more alarmed than you think. In America they are quite possible the biggest religious threat to social progress (obviously globally Islam easily takes the cake....). And, they have their share of fringe compounds ("communes" is a nice way to put it. Many of these are massive swaths of land with military defenses and their own miltias.... ) abroad that are equally alarming.... Also, leaving it, its not as bad as Islam (like getting killed by family members), but they make it very hard for apostates.... Leaving the religion often means getting shunned by even direct family.... Whenever religions make it hard to leave, it should make you skeptical. I was raised Presbyterian, told my parents while still a teenager I have no desire to be religious, I still have my head, and I still have a great relation with my parents and other family who go to that church.... And, I can still go to my old church for weddings without anyone looking down on me or even questioning/lecturing me. Any religion where this is not the case should be a cause for alarm. |
| January 7th, 2021 at 9:43:14 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
You mean the first black Senator from a former Confederate state since Reconstruction ! There have been so few from Union States.
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| January 8th, 2021 at 5:42:53 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
Why does flying a flag linked with racism and secession ameliorate Southern pride? I don't see why they couldn't be proud of the South without doing that. You guys allegedly have, "Southern Hospitality," and, "Neighbors helping neighbors," as go those cliches...as if nobody ever helps anyone else elsewhere. I'd say be proud of those things, instead. Consider this---the symbol for, "Southern Pride," actively causes other people to think less of the South. How can effectuating people to think less of you possibly increase the level of pride? It's counterintuitive.
I agree with all of that. I would not advocate for the total banning of that flag. If the people of possible racism and questionable national pride want to wear that on their sleeves, or lawns, all the better for the rest of us that they should make themselves so easily identifiable.
Religion is not a logical reason for that because religion is not logical. If religion is itself illogical, then nothing that comes about as an exclusive result of religion can be logical. Even then, not everyone subscribes to the religion, so those of the faith should make no attempt to hold others to their purported morals by any formal or legal mechanism.
Maybe. You seem to know more about this than I do. I haven't seen any studies in this regard and have limited Empirical observations because I've never conducted any sort of poll of people who were converted into the church v. those who were always there.
That's on me. I shouldn't be mixing substantive conversation with an excuse to make a cheap joke. Maybe they did watch the debate. I just don't see how you couldn't vote for Warnock...he's a preacher and I can't think of very many other Senators I'd rather have representing my interests than Warnock. That's saying something, because him being a preacher causes me to immediately start out with a slightly unfavorable opinion.
I honestly don't see what the problem with it is. I actually kind of like your runoff system because (since it goes to the two highest vote-getters---as I understand it) that gives third-party candidates a theoretical chance. All they would have to do is be in the Top Two with the #1 not having a simple majority, then they at least get into the 1 on 1 competition that they are so often denied.
Tha's the argament I would make, y'all.
Ten-ish years, assuming I still want to by then. It's a little much to even really say, "Planning," on it. The probability of me changing my mind and choosing somewhere else is over 50%. (Remaining Quote Deliberately Omitted) Re: Mormon Church. As you said, I'd have to do more research. I lack sufficient knowledge to offer a comment on anything you said. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| January 9th, 2021 at 12:35:17 PM permalink | |
| ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12533 | I’m going to go out on a limb and say Donny will NOT be the Republican nominee in 2024. “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |