Why aren't battery power vehicles cheaper?

June 23rd, 2021 at 6:24:13 PM permalink
petroglyph
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This is great
Pushing the envelope regarding electric vehicles
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June 23rd, 2021 at 8:05:59 PM permalink
DRich
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These are the most popular vehicles in the US that are not pick up trucks
2022 Honda CR-V pricing to start at $26,000 (190 hp) 406 miles Total Range
2022 Toyota RAV4 pricing to start at about $27,000 (203 hp) 420 miles Total Range

2022 Honda Civic pricing to start at about $21,700 (158 hp) 422 miles Total Range
2022 Toyota Corolla pricing to start at about $21,000 (169 hp) 462 miles Total Range

At the very least there should be BEV that are comparable to the first two if you are going to ban gasoline vehicles.


I just bought a Honda CRV. I did not realize that they were that popular.
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June 24th, 2021 at 3:54:35 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Production vs Consumption of electricity. A positive number means they consumer more than they produce, a negative number means they produce more than they consume.

MA, VT, DE consumer more than twice what they produce. So far only CA and MA have signed up for the 2035 ban on gasoline vehicles.

In 2019 California received about 28% of its electricity supply from generating facilities outside of California, including imports from Mexico.


I did not know Mexico sends electricity to the USA. Now, what will be a laugh riot is if other states say they are going to keep their power generation in-state for their own EV plans. CA people think power comes from an outlet like milk comes from the store. It will be the typical thing where the pols then have to fix the mess the pols today are making.
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June 24th, 2021 at 5:01:43 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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I did not know Mexico sends electricity to the USA. Now, what will be a laugh riot is if other states say they are going to keep their power generation in-state for their own EV plans. CA people think power comes from an outlet like milk comes from the store. It will be the typical thing where the pols then have to fix the mess the pols today are making.


Mexico has been an exporter of electricity to the United States since 2006. The national Comision Federal de Electricidad (CFE), has announced plans to expand Mexico’s nuclear generation capacity by building four new nuclear reactors to supplement their one operating at Laguna Verde, in Veracruz. The Laguna Verde power plant, includes two boiling water reactors with a combined generating capacity of 1,552 megawatts, accounting for 3% of Mexico’s total electricity generation in 2019.
June 24th, 2021 at 5:20:09 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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I just bought a Honda CRV. I did not realize that they were that popular.


Most popular pickup trucks in 2020
Ford F-Series
Chevrolet Silverado
Ram Pickup
GMC Sierra
Toyota Tacoma

Most popular Vehicles not pickup trucks in 2020
Toyota RAV4
Honda CR-V
Toyota Camry
Chevrolet Equinox
Honda Civic
Toyota Corolla

Even though the average transaction price for a new vehicle in America has now exceeded $40K, the most popular vehicles are selling for under $30K.

The subcompact has almost vanished from the lineup of available vehicles. AFAIK these are the last remaining subcompacts.
#84 Nissan Versa (88.9 cubic feet) ~$15,000
#110 Chevrolet Spark (83.0 cubic feet), ~$13,600
#134 Kia Rio (88.4 cubic feet) ~$16,000 (twin of Hyundai Accent)
#153 Mitsubishi Mirage (86.2 cubic feet) ~$15,295
#155 Mini Cooper (??.? cubic feet) ~$22,900
#169 Hyundai Accent (90.2 cubic feet) ~$16,400


The EPA definition of a subcompact is a passenger car with a combined interior and cargo volume of between 85–99 cubic feet . So a Subaru Impreza Starting at MSRP $18,795 which is 100.9 cubic feet qualifies as a compact.
June 26th, 2021 at 3:38:38 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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The list of automakers that are setting a firm year to go all electric is growing and now includes Volkswagen (2026), Volvo (2030), Audi (2033), General Motors (2035) and Honda (2040). Previously it was smaller luxury makes like Jaguar, MINI, and Lotus.

BMW and Mercedez have not committed to the idea of going all electric.
June 26th, 2021 at 5:19:43 AM permalink
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Wonder when are we getting the Ford Seattle-ite XXI?
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June 26th, 2021 at 10:05:18 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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The list of automakers that are setting a firm year to go all electric is growing and now includes Volkswagen (2026), Volvo (2030), Audi (2033), General Motors (2035) and Honda (2040). Previously it was smaller luxury makes like Jaguar, MINI, and Lotus.


Much reminds me of the race to FWD in the 1980s.
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June 27th, 2021 at 9:41:49 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Much reminds me of the race to FWD in the 1980s.


There are quite a lot of things you can do to build a more efficient gasoline powered car that requires no plug-in at all.

Front Wheel Drive improves fuel efficiency
continuously variable transmission
regenerative braking (also called kinetic energy recovery systems)
automatic idle stop start/stop
48 Volt battery systems (sometimes called mild hybrids)
three-cylinder engines
full hybrid systems have achieved 54 mpg without requiring a plug-in

Like you said, to those of us over the age of 60 used to breathing the air in the 1960s and 1970s, these vehicles would make all the difference.

Flashback to 25 years ago
The General Motors EV1 was an electric car produced and leased by General Motors from 1996 to 1999. It was the first ever mass-produced and purpose-designed electric vehicle of the modern era from a major automaker and the first GM car designed to be an electric vehicle from the outset.
Electric motor: three-phase Alternating current;
Battery:
Early vehicles 16.5–18.7 kWh lead-acid - 55 miles (660 units) ,
later versions 26.4 kWh Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) -110 miles (457 units)

The EV1 was built to satisfy California Air Resources Board. Almost all of them were crushed by GM who was afraid of liability issues.
June 28th, 2021 at 5:41:44 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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The EV1 was built to satisfy California Air Resources Board. Almost all of them were crushed by GM who was afraid of liability issues.


I love watching all the greenies in literal tears when they crushed them.

The interesting thing on the EV1 is how GM went out of their way to make it a car no normal person would want to buy. As if they had to "futiurize" it. The thing is just plain ugly. The interior was no better. Useless gadgets. You had to be dedicated to the EV cause.

$530-690 per month lease in 1997 including the charger.

That is $870-1133 in today's money. And the greenies still loved it!

For the price you could have had 2 J cars.
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