Why aren't battery power vehicles cheaper?

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If I was younger I would give it a shot.

But not at a drive in movie.

Nissan at least tried to sell a relatively affordable Electric Vehicle, the 147 hp LEAF which came out in the latter years of the $100K Tesla Roadster.

After a decade Nissan has decided to join the bandwagon and market a performance electric vehicle in the $40K+ range with 215 or 389 horsepower.


Approximately one hundred new EV models will be introduced in model year 2022, 2023, and 2024.

Less than 2% of the cars in California are Electric vehicles. The state's grid operator is already asking EV users to charge their cars in the off peak hours, in order to reduce demand on the grid caused by the recent heat wave. In fifteen years, all new cars sold in the state must be zero emissions vehicles.

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In fifteen years, all new cars sold in the state must be zero emissions vehicles.

Cool

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Less than 2% of the cars in California are Electric vehicles....In fifteen years, all new cars sold in the state must be zero emissions vehicles.

In the wealthier counties near San Francisco they are above 2% Battery Electric Vehicles.

At present electricity consumption in the state is 17.1 kWh per day per inhabitant. A Nissan LEAF S PLUS will drive for just over 60 miles on 17 kWh, so we can expect considerably more electricity consumption with an all electric fleet.

% Battery electric vehicles - County in California - Median Household income

1. 3.50% Santa Clara $93,854
2. 3.11% Marin $91,529
3. 2.90% San Mateo $91,421
4. 2.63% San Francisco $78,378
5. 2.59% Alameda $73,775
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6. 1.87% Orange $75,998
7. 1.82% Contra Costa $79,799
8. 1.54% Santa Cruz $66,923
9. 1.29% San Diego $63,996
10. 1.26% Sonoma $63,799
11. 1.25% Los Angeles $55,870
12. 1.23% Napa $70,925
13. 1.13% Placer $73,747
14. 1.12% Ventura $77,335
15. 1.09% Yolo $55,508
16. 1.00% Santa Barbara $63,409
17. 0.98% San Luis Obispo $59,454
18. 0.93% El Dorado $68,507
19. 0.78% Sacramento $55,615
20. 0.73% Solano $67,341
21. 0.68% Nevada $56,949
22. 0.65% Riverside $56,592
23. 0.60% Monterey $58,582
24. 0.59% San Joaquin $53,253
25. 0.55% San Benito $67,874
26. 0.53% San Bernardino $54,100
27. 0.47% Humboldt $42,153
28. 0.46% Fresno $45,201
29. 0.45% Mendocino $43,290
30. 0.38% Alpine $61,343
31. 0.32% Stanislaus $49,573
32. 0.31% Mono $61,814
33. 0.31% Butte $43,165
34. 0.27% Amador $52,964
35. 0.27% Sutter $51,527
36. 0.25% Kern $48,574
37. 0.25% Shasta $44,556
38. 0.24% Yuba $45,470
39. 0.24% Madera $45,490
40. 0.23% Tuolumne $48,493
41. 0.23% Lake $35,997
42. 0.22% Calaveras $54,936
43. 0.22% Inyo $45,625
44. 0.21% Tulare $42,863
45. 0.21% Del Norte $39,302
46. 0.21% Merced $43,066
47. 0.18% Mariposa $50,560
48. 0.18% Trinity $36,862
49. 0.16% Kings $47,341
50. 0.14% Plumas $48,032
51. 0.13% Siskiyou $37,495
52. 0.12% Tehama $42,369
53. 0.12% Glenn $40,106
54. 0.12% Sierra $43,107
55. 0.08% Imperial $41,772
56. 0.05% Colusa $50,503
57. 0.03% Lassen $53,351
58. 0.00% Modoc $38,560

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Less than 2% of the cars in California are Electric vehicles....In fifteen years, all new cars sold in the state must be zero emissions vehicles.

In the wealthier counties near San Francisco they are above 2% Battery Electric Vehicles.

At present electricity consumption in the state is 17.1 kWh per day per inhabitant. A Nissan LEAF S PLUS will drive for just over 60 miles on 17 kWh, so we can expect considerably more electricity consumption with an all electric fleet.

It will be fun to see. All those pols not realizing that the electricity has to come from somewhere. Will be real laughs as Hoover Dam gives less and less power.

These are the most popular vehicles in the US that are not pick up trucks
2022 Honda CR-V pricing to start at $26,000 (190 hp) 406 miles Total Range
2022 Toyota RAV4 pricing to start at about $27,000 (203 hp) 420 miles Total Range

2022 Honda Civic pricing to start at about $21,700 (158 hp) 422 miles Total Range
2022 Toyota Corolla pricing to start at about $21,000 (169 hp) 462 miles Total Range

At the very least there should be BEV that are comparable to the first two if you are going to ban gasoline vehicles.

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It will be fun to see. All those pols not realizing that the electricity has to come from somewhere. Will be real laughs as Hoover Dam gives less and less power.

Production vs Consumption of electricity. A positive number means they consumer more than they produce, a negative number means they produce more than they consume.

MA, VT, DE consumer more than twice what they produce. So far only CA and MA have signed up for the 2035 ban on gasoline vehicles.

In 2019 California received about 28% of its electricity supply from generating facilities outside of California, including imports from Mexico.

Illinois generates more electricity from nuclear energy than any other state and accounted for 13% of U.S. nuclear power generation in 2020.

In 2019, Pennsylvania ranked second in the nation after Illinois in electricity generation from nuclear power. However, Pennsylvania’s natural gas-fired power plants surpassed nuclear power as the largest provider of in-state electricity for the first time in 2019.

In 2019, 42% of Connecticut’s electricity net generation came from the Millstone nuclear power station. The state had the fifth-highest share of electricity provided by nuclear power in the nation.

139% Massachusetts
137% Vermont
118% Delaware
54% Maryland
30% Idaho
24% California
24% Ohio
22% Virginia
21% Tennessee
13% Minnesota
12% Maine
11% New York
10% Wisconsin
8% Georgia
5% Kentucky
4% New Jersey
4% North Carolina
1% Missouri
0% Colorado
0% Indiana
-2% Florida
-3% Hawaii
-4% Rhode Island
-4% Alaska
-7% Louisiana
-7% Nevada
-11% Texas
-11% South Dakota
-13% Michigan
-14% Washington
-17% Iowa
-19% Nebraska
-19% Oregon
-19% Kansas
-20% South Carolina
-20% Utah
-24% Oklahoma
-25% Illinois - NUCLEAR POWER #1
-25% Arkansas
-26% Mississippi
-29% New Mexico
-30% Connecticut
-31% Arizona
-36% Pennsylvania - NUCLEAR POWER #2
-38% Alabama
-41% New Hampshire
-45% Montana
-48% North Dakota
-48% West Virginia
-60% Wyoming

Wyoming produces 14 times more energy than it consumes, and it is the biggest net energy supplier among the states.
Wyoming has been the top coal-producing state since 1986, accounting for about 39% of all coal mined in the United States in 2019, and the state holds more than one-third of U.S. coal reserves at producing mines.
Wyoming was the eighth-largest crude oil-producing state in the nation in 2020, accounting for slightly more than 2% of U.S. total crude oil output. The state was the ninth-largest natural gas producer, and accounted for almost 4% of U.S. marketed gas production.
Wyoming’s large energy-producing sector and small population helps make the state first in per capita energy consumption and gives it the second most energy-intensive state economy, after Louisiana.

STATE NUCLEAR (%)
New Hampshire 59.0
Illinois 57.8
South Carolina 55.8
Tennessee 47.3
New Jersey 43.5
Maryland 41.8
Connecticut 38.2
North Carolina 34.1
Pennsylvania 33.1
Alabama 32.0
Virginia 29.5
New York 29.1
Michigan 28.9
Arizona 28.8
Arkansas 28.5
Georgia 27.6
Minnesota 26.0

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This is great
Pushing the envelope regarding electric vehicles