Israel under Siege

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It seems that a ceasefire has been agreed upon to go into effect at 1900 EST today (which has passed). So far it seems as this has been followed (granted its only been two hours).

Hopefully, this will lead to peace in our time and that differences can be worked out without violence increasing again.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/20/israel-and-hamas-agree-to-cease-fire-over-gaza-conflict-reports-say.html

I give President Biden massive credit for his tireless work in this regard, not giving in to pressure to be more public. This is the kind of work that needs to happen behind the scenes and not become a media circus. So I don't give any credence to the criticisms from both the far left and the far right that he should have been more transparent. Results are what matters at the end of the day and he (President Biden) is delivering them without compromising American values or alliances.

Quote: Mission146

Unfortunately, there's so much with your post that I fundamentally disagree with that I don't even know where to start.

Let's start with, "It's actually only," and, "Small sliver." We're talking about 3.8B dollars, and I don't know about you, but having $50,000 in new money in front of me would drastically change my planning for the next year.

It's bad enough that we're completely desensitized to the notion of 3.8B in Federal spending on anything, but now, we're talking about 3.8B in foreign spending in a conflict across the globe to aid them in a military matter that shouldn't be any of our concern in the first place.

The next thing we have is, "Even if you cut all 40 billion of all aid it would hardly dent the budget." That's the kind of thinking that, applied to personal finance, leads to bankruptcy. I know from personal experience. "Oh, I could not put going out to dinner on the credit card this time, but my balance is already pretty high, so I don't even think my monthly payment is going to go up much because of this."

It's forty billion dollars in Federal spending that I would like to see justified by a better RoI than, "Oh, well, they're spending our own money on American manufactured products."

If we're going to spend that money at all, which we shouldn't (deficit) then we could at least spend it on the general betterment of the country. "Oh, this spending is okay, because Israel is taking the aid and buying munitions from American weapons manufacturers." I don't know? Maybe improve the highways, airports or build a bridge? Even though the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in education, maybe increasing education spending by 3.8B nationally (that's 76 million, per state) would perhaps be a better use of the funds than much of the money going to a multi-national corporation with a market cap of 107.93B in a roundabout way.

If they want weapons that are going to be used to destroy buildings (that cost money to build) and kill people, maybe it's not too much to ask that they should go ahead and buy those weapons entirely with their own money. At least until no Interstate highway in this country has any pothole on it anywhere.



1.) It doesn't matter what connections Jewish-Americans have to Israel. If they want to be Israelites, then they should go to Israel and live there. It's perfectly fine to have concern for your culture, family, land that you may have came from---but you're an American before you're anything.

Many Muslim-Americans have connections to Pakistan, I would assume. They should also be Americans first. If they want to be Pakistani, then they should relocate to Pakistan.

If any so situated people want to donate their own money, or if they want to go over there and give their time (or even fight), then that's perfectly fine and is up to them. If they go over and survive, then they should certainly be welcome back.

Anyway, we wouldn't need any allies over there, at this time, if only we would stay out of affairs that should not concern us. What country over there has attacked the United States or any lands rightfully possessed by the United States?

You just make it known that you are basically neutral, but that if any of the countries over there decide to attack us, we will go over there and destroy every building and kill every single person until they unconditionally surrender.

2.) Good, then they can spend their own money that they have with companies, such as Lockheed Martin, to purchase their planes and munitions. I believe that the United States of America has the right, as a country, to decide who they wish to sell munitions and military technologies to and be allies in that sense (which would still be being allied); we just shouldn't be financing them.

I'm not objecting to being allied with them necessarily and I'm not calling for us to allow our companies to sell munitions and military technologies to whoever is asking and has cash---I'm just saying that anyone we sell to should be buying with their own money unless we (The United States) are actually engaged in a war and they are fighting by our sides.

3.) I don't care if Israel becomes secular or not. No dog in the fight. They are over there and we are over here. Anyway, it's fine that you have stated your position on this, but I am not advocating for Israel to become secular. I don't care what they do. If they want to have a stupid state-sponsored religion, then that is their business.

Quote: Tanko

Ten year old Israeli girl schools John Oliver.

Hamas fired 4,000 toward Israeli citizens. Oliver doesn't believe it is fair that Israeli retaliatory strikes hit their targets.

“While most of the rockets aimed toward Israeli citizens this week were intercepted, Israel’s airstrikes were not. They hit their targets, including a house in a refugee camp, a building housing The Associated Press and Al Jazeera, and 13-story office and apartment building.""

Israel gave a one hour evacuation warning before bombing those Hamas targets.

Quote: SOOPOO

Really simple to me. One ‘country’, Gaza, allows a terrorist group to work freely in its midst, and Hamas uses that freedom to bomb Israel.
Israel retaliates, like ANY country would and SHOULD do.

If you take away the INITIATION of the lethal weapons being used you can then have an argument about whether Israel erred in cutting off the prayer microphones, detaining certain people, evicting others, etc.... But if the response to those alleged transgressions is wanton bombing, then Israel responded APPROPRIATELY.

Expect another suicide bombing soon. Some Palestinian child will have a backpack filled with explosives on a bus, in a restaurant, in a park..... it’s what they do..... and when Israel retaliated by destroying that kid’s families house, expect the usual uproar.....

Quote: Tanko

Michael Goodwin is a writer for the NY Post.

This is his most recent article: Inside the Dems’ betrayal of Israel:

"A defining moment came last Tuesday when Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib, the first Palestinian woman elected to Congress, confronted Biden at the Detroit airport and argued American aid to Israel was funding atrocities against Palestinians."

"The tarmac face-off lasted eight minutes, and Biden later lavished praise on Tlaib’s “passion and concern for so many people.”

"The very next day, Biden flipped sides and demanded Israel de-escalate immediately and move toward a cease-fire."

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Why should we give money to Israel?

Quote: terapined

Quote: Tanko

Michael Goodwin is a writer for the NY Post.

This is his most recent article: Inside the Dems’ betrayal of Israel:

"A defining moment came last Tuesday when Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib, the first Palestinian woman elected to Congress, confronted Biden at the Detroit airport and argued American aid to Israel was funding atrocities against Palestinians."

"The tarmac face-off lasted eight minutes, and Biden later lavished praise on Tlaib’s “passion and concern for so many people.”

"The very next day, Biden flipped sides and demanded Israel de-escalate immediately and move toward a cease-fire."

Why should we give money to Israel
The extreme welfare fraud in NY among the Orthodox is not enough.
Why should my tax dollars support a religious state, especially one on the other side of the world.
How about balancing the budget and let Israel pay for itself
How about Israel supporting those lazy orthodox Jews in NY that just pray all day on the taxpayers dime.
I'm shocked conservatives let these people get away with welfare fraud
White privilege. Look the other way?
The abuse is massive