Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

Christianity works for those who want to live life to the fullest and who don't enjoy dying.

To quote myself:

"But I'm on vacation and don't have to deal with this nonsense right now :D"

Hurry back!

Quote: FrGamble

Hurry back!

Who knows. If I hit the Megabucks (yeah right), I'll stay here much longer.

[Pointedly not asking anyone to pray it happens]

Quote: FrGamble

Christianity works for those who want to live life to the fullest and who don't enjoy dying.

If you can call living with Catholic
guilt hanging over your head living
'life to the fullest', you are misguided
as to what living life to the fullest
means.

There are people who enjoy dying?
Christianity is for people who don't
enjoy dying? They die just like everybody
else. Just like Muslims and Buddhists
and Mormons. And atheists.

My comment about dying was a poor attempt to be funny because as Christians we believe that death is not an end, but a new beginning. In a sense we do not die but only pass over to eternal life with God, the angels, and saints.

Quote: FrGamble

In a sense we do not die but only pass over to eternal life with God, the angels, and saints.

Yes, they think they deserve a permanent trip
to Disneyland when they die. It's called excessive
hubris.

Quote: FrGamble

My comment about dying was a poor attempt to be funny because as Christians we believe that death is not an end, but a new beginning. In a sense we do not die but only pass over to eternal life with God, the angels, and saints.

How would you feel if you found yourself facing the likes of Anubis and Osiris after you died?

Quote: Evenbob

Yes, they think they deserve a permanent trip
to Disneyland when they die. It's called excessive
hubris.

Why do you say this?

Quote: FrGamble

Why do you say this?

Because people accept Jesus, and think
this gets them a permanent pass to
a divine Disneyland. Just listen to them
talk among themselves, their arms are
sore from slapping themselves on the
back about it. Hubris run amok.

And please don't tell me I need to find
new Christians. I've seen this in every
group I've ever been around, they are
positively smug about how smart they
are and how stupid the rest of humanity
is. If you don't see that it's because you
don't want to. You even hear preachers
mention it sometimes, and it gets a
good snigger from the audience.

I was reading about Buddhism today and had
forgotten what a downer religion Christianity
is. Their whole message is on how bad we are,
what awful sinners, always insulting god, and
the horrible futures we have unless we take
Jesus as the guy to save us. Buddhism isn't
like that at all, they don't even believe in sin.

Christians take the opposite approach of
a good salesman in selling their product.
Imagine if you went to a showroom to buy a
new car, and instead of extolling the positive
points of the new car, all the salesman did
was tell you all the things that were bad about
your old car. That kind of salesmanship seldom
works, trying to make the buyer feel like an
idiot.

Yet that's the Christian sales technique. You're
a sinner, you're a bad person. You stink in the
eyes of god. All you do is insult god from dusk
to dawn and he's sick of it. Here's all the bad
things that will happen unless you get forgiven
for being such a jerk. And on and on.

But that's Christianity's job, to convince you how
awful you really are, get you feeling bad, then
sell you the salvation plan. It's a bad product
they're selling, sin. Because that's what they're
really selling, they aren't selling salvation. Sin
is what you have to buy, sin is what they preach,
they have to constantly convince you what a bad
person you are. If they don't, you might wise up
and then you wouldn't need them anymore.