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Quote: boymimbo

I don't think Democrats are afraid of a wall. I think they are reasonably sure that it won't keep out bad hombres, who will just dig tunnels, ladders, find better ways to smuggle in trucks, use boats, fly planes and drones, etc over a wall. The bad hombres that we talk about are usually those dealing with drugs, where money is plentiful and the border wall is not much of deterrent. They are not the poor coming from central american countries to seek a better and peaceful life.

If they thought it would not work, the Democrats and Mexican Government would not be so against it. Similarly, remember the groan from the Democrats at Trump's first speech? They know illegals are committing crimes in larger numbers than natives. Keeping track of this will blow a hole in their "just want a better life" narrative.

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The Democrats are afraid of "better security", because Trump's definition of "better security" is:

Keeping out a new, dependent class that will become Democrat voters while working Americans pay their way.

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Finally, America does need immigration to do the crappy jobs that Americans won't do. This includes temporary farm help and minimum wage jobs. As the nation reaches full employment, filling these low paying jobs will become more difficult and a decent immigration program that allows for temporary work will be necessary.

"Jobs Americans won't do" is pretty much nonsense. What it means is, "jobs Americans won't do as long as they can sit on welfare or want more than $3/hr."

The farm work can be done with a guest worker program. A generation ago, American yutes would go to the resort to work for the summer. Or go many places for the season. Now the resorts use low paid, immigrant labor. Something is wrong here.

The "can't find an American to fill the job" is mostly ********. I knew a guy took one. It was a simple, clerical job. But his GF worked at the same college, got him in. Had they even advertised the job they would have had dozens of qualified applicants. Then we have Disney, who laid off a roomful of Americans to hire immigrants to take the jobs they could not get Americans to fill.

Time to close the door.

Quote: rxwine

Trump promised in the televised meeting that he would sign on to a bipartisan immigration bill if it was brought to him. It was. He didn't..

Sigh. Rush explained this in great
detail the day after the big meeting.
Trump laid out what he wanted to
see in the bill, then said he would sign
the bill they came up with. He meant he
would sign any bill that contained what
he wanted in it. The moron Dems thought
he meant he would sign ANY bill they
came up with, and they found out that's
not what he meant at all.

Idiots..

Quote: petroglyph

Are you willing to let America pay for the wall? 20 billion before cost over runs.

$20 billion to achieve security of our southern border would be money well spent if that's what it achieved and that was all it cost. The true cost is more than I am willing to support if you include the abandonment of a valuable piece of America, loss of agriculture, flood damage, harm to wildlife and the cost of defending law suits for all of the above.

Most of the border is defined by rivers. A wall needs to be located far enough from the bank to allow for flood conditions. How far is difficult to say because the size of floods is unpredictable, but a flood plane boundary has been established. So what is between the wall and the river? In the case of the Rio Grande there are vegetable farms, cattle ranches inherited from the king of Spain, many homes and three wildlife preserves as well as a rich biodiversity. The wall would cross thousands of creeks and arroyos some of which are dry for years at a time only until flooding calls them into action to drain the country into the river. The wall would act as a dam causing flooding. This is already happening with the existing fence when it gets clogged with debris.

DHS has been allowed to waive all federal laws impeding their progress by a 2005 law. They are under no obligation to engineer their way around these problems. The wall is more than a waste of money, it's massively destructive.

Did you see he director of Homeland
getting grilled today? Her name is
Nielsen:

LEAHY: Did President Trump use this word — or a substantially similar word — to describe citizen countries?

NIELSEN: I did not hear that word used. No, sir.

LEAHY: I’m not… That’s not the question. Did he use anything similar to that describing certain countries?

NIELSEN: The conversation was very impassioned. I don’t dispute that the president was using tough language. Others in the room were also using tough language.

LEAHY: Did he use what would be considered vulgar language referring to certain countries?

NIELSEN: The president used tough language in general as did other congressmen in the room. Yes, sir.

DURBIN: You said on Fox News that the president used strong language. What was that strong language?

NIELSEN: Let’s see. Strong language, there was, apologies. I don’t remember specific word. What I was struck with, frankly, as I’m sure you were as well was just the general profanity that was used in the room by almost everyone.

DURBIN: Did you hear me use profanity?

NIELSEN: No, sir. Neither did I.

DURBIN: Did you hear Senator Graham use profanity?

NIELSEN: I did hear tough language from Senator Graham, yes, sir. I remember specific cusswords being used by a variety of members.


So everybody was cussing up a storm, yet
here's another witness who says Trump
never said 'shithole' countries. Little Dickie
Durbin is lying yet again, just like he lied
about something Obama said in the WH.

Quote: JimRockford

$20 billion to achieve security of our southern border would be money well spent if that's what it achieved and that was all it cost. The true cost is more than I am willing to support if you include the abandonment of a valuable piece of America, loss of agriculture, flood damage, harm to wildlife and the cost of defending law suits for all of the above.

Most of the border is defined by rivers. A wall needs to be located far enough from the bank to allow for flood conditions. How far is difficult to say because the size of floods is unpredictable, but a flood plane boundary has been established. So what is between the wall and the river? In the case of the Rio Grande there are vegetable farms, cattle ranches inherited from the king of Spain, many homes and three wildlife preserves as well as a rich biodiversity. The wall would cross thousands of creeks and arroyos some of which are dry for years at a time only until flooding calls them into action to drain the country into the river. The wall would act as a dam causing flooding. This is already happening with the existing fence when it gets clogged with debris.

DHS has been allowed to waive all federal laws impeding their progress by a 2005 law. They are under no obligation to engineer their way around these problems. The wall is more than a waste of money, it's massively destructive.

Partial list of federal laws waived by DHS

National Environmental Policy Act
Endangered Species Act
Clean Water Act
National Historic Preservation Act
Migratory Bird Treaty Act
Clean Air Act
Archaeological Resources Protection Act
Safe Drinking Water Act
Noise Control Act
Solid Waste Disposal Act
Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act
Archaeological and Historic Preservation Act
Antiquities Act
Historic Sites, Buildings, and Antiquities Act
Wild and Scenic Rivers Act
Farmland Protection Policy Act
Coastal Zone Management Act
Wilderness Act
Federal Land Policy and Management Act
National Wildlife Refuge System Administration Act
Fish and Wildlife Act of 1956
Fish and Wildlife Coordination Act
Administrative Procedure Act
Otay Mountain Wilderness Act of 1999
California Desert Protection Act
National Park Service Organic Act
National Park Service General Authorities Act
National Parks and Recreation Act of 1978
Arizona Desert Wilderness Act
Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899
Eagle Protection Act
Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act
American Indian Religious Freedom Act
Religious Freedom Restoration Act
National Forest Management Act of 1976
Multiple Use and Sustained Yield Act of 1960
Federal Grants and Cooperative Agreements Act of 1977

I agree with this post. I want to add, a wall will not stop drug cartels from going over under or through a wall. I am against all the things you mentioned like destroying the open vista's and erecting that ugliness. It is getting harder to find an open view down here without at least an antenna farm on the horizon. This wall is enough to make a nature lover heave.

Most illegals just come across at checkpoints and their visas expire. It is beyond inhumane to make poor workers suffer. the treck across the desserts like that, it's wrong and inhumane. At least come across the check points. Letting people die is not necessary and just fuels coyote human traffickers and all manner of people crimes, including slavery.

Employers, [much of them agriculture] could sponsor as many workers needed, If Americans truly won't do the work. But Latino children, don't seem to be subject to the same labor laws as gringos. The American labor laws need to be relaxed, so our youth can learn to work again.

Quote: Evenbob

So everybody was cussing up a storm, yet
here's another witness who says Trump
never said 'shithole' countries. Little Dickie
Durbin is lying yet again, just like he lied
about something Obama said in the WH.

You are still conveniently ignoring that Lindsay Graham said that Durbin's account is "basically accurate"

This is a hilarious 2min of CNN saying
'shithole' and it's only up to last Saturday.
They've said the word a few hundred more
times since then. The shithole network for
sure. lol

Quote: Dalex64

You are still conveniently ignoring that Lindsay Graham said that Durbin's account is "basically accurate"

The Trumpidians are conveniently ignoring they defended the Orange Shithole's comments, which they heartily approved, and now they are pretending to believe Trump didn't even say it.

Quote: Dalex64

You are still conveniently ignoring that Lindsay Graham said that Durbin's account is "basically accurate"

You are avoiding that two congress members
who say they were just as close to Trump as
Graham and Durbin were, say Trump never
said the word. It's a stand off, somebody is
lying. Now the Homeland director says she
never heard it and she was right there. And
Durbin has lied before about the WH.

Durbin Has a History of Lying About Private Meetings

"There's just one problem with Durbin's claims: He has a history of making up statements from private White House meetings."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/25817/dick-durbin-has-history-lying-about-private-white-ryan-saavedra#

Oh, as a general observation:

People will move from countries that lack opportunity to those that offer better chances for work, study, investment, etc. They'll also move from places where there is strife to those where there ins't. Lastly, people tend to move from countries where they are oppressed to those where they won't be.

This is a general rule, not a cosmic law. But it explains why developed countries get more immigrants and refugees from developing countries rather than from other developed countries. if you expect millions of Western Europeans to move to the US, you're smoking cheap weed and turpentine, or your brain is on extended leave of absence.