"Cult of Mary"

Quote: FrGamble

a preponderance of evidence from science, philosophy, history, archeology, ethics, and logic that all speak to the existence of God. .

And yet, yet, it didn't convince some of the
brightest minds of our time. Hawking, Einstein,
Asimov, Twain, Ben Franklin, Hemingway,
Jefferson, Darwin, Bill Gates. All much smarter
than me, and they were all atheists.

All thinking men are atheists. — Ernest Hemingway

Lighthouses are more helpful then churches. — Benjamin Franklin

There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages. - Darwin

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. Ben Franklin

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.-- Heinlein

Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's? Nietzsche

Quote: Evenbob

You're obviously flailing around on
quicksand, trying to find a footing for your beliefs,
when there is none except a few thousand years
ago some men said this or that.

Maybe you can explain to me why your old men are better than my old men? I could produce a much longer list of brilliant Christians and other believers in God, but I have to admit their quotes won't be as mean. According to your own logic I don't know how this advances your argument, but it does make you look like your flailing.

Quote: FrGamble

Maybe you can explain to me why your old men are better than my old men? .

Because they're selling nothing and could care
less what you think of they're opinion on religion.
They don't have an agenda, they aren't preaching
or trying to convert anybody. They're aren't making
outrageous claims they can't prove.

Quote: Evenbob

Because they're selling nothing and could care
less what you think of they're opinion on religion.
They don't have an agenda, they aren't preaching
or trying to convert anybody. They're aren't making
outrageous claims they can't prove.

Oh really...

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All thinking men are atheists. — Ernest Hemingway

outrageous and not only unprovable but demonstrably false.

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Lighthouses are more helpful then churches. — Benjamin Franklin

outrageous and unprovable as stated. What does he mean by helpful?

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There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages. - Darwin

outrageous, selling myths about the dark ages with an agenda, and unprovable. Really ALL people?!?

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The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. Ben Franklin

outrageous, obviously has an agenda, and demonstrably false by showing reasonable believers.

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Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's? Nietzsche

outrageous and definitely has an agenda and trying to sell you something.

Quote: FrGamble

Also I have no problem talking about these things (maybe in a different thread would be nice) ...

The religion threads are difficult to read. General decorum is to respond to the initial post, and to start a new thread if you have a tangential subject. The initial post was about Mariology, and people kept to the topic for a while.

Quote: Evenbob

OK, what is the status of Mary in your Church and why does it differ from all other churches.'

See, this is a question about the topic. Pederasty in society as a whole and in the Catholic church is a divergent topic.

Quote: FrGamble

Oh really...
.

I can't do this anymore, padre, you win. You're
starting to remind me of the guy in Ward C
who thinks he's Teddy Roosevelt and won't
be satisfied till he's convinced you he is, cause
then he'll know for sure he really is TR.

You can't prove a negative no matter how
hard you try. Save it for the choir..

I realized last night I always get irritated
when forced to discuss religion seriously.
It's a huge waste of time for me and I
don't like wasting time. It's like somebody
wants to discuss if Winnie the Pooh and
100 Acre Wood was a real place. You know
for a fact it's never was and will get real
irritated real fast if forced to take it seriously.

That's religion to me.

Quote: Evenbob

I realized last night I always get irritated
when forced to discuss religion seriously.
It's a huge waste of time for me and I
don't like wasting time. It's like somebody
wants to discuss if Winnie the Pooh and
100 Acre Wood was a real place. You know
for a fact it's never was and will get real
irritated real fast if forced to take it seriously.

That's religion to me.

But what if Pooh gets stuck in a honey jar again - who will save him if you don't believe it's real!!! lol

Quote: Evenbob

I realized last night I always get irritated
when forced to discuss religion seriously.
It's a huge waste of time for me and I
don't like wasting time. It's like somebody
wants to discuss if Winnie the Pooh and
100 Acre Wood was a real place. You know
for a fact it's never was and will get real
irritated real fast if forced to take it seriously.

That's religion to me.

Instead of looking at it as religion then, why don't you look it as a discussion about the big questions of life? No one should consider it a waste of time to seriously discuss if there is a meaning to life or the origins of life and consciousness or what happens after we die.

Quote: FrGamble

if there is a meaning to life or the origins of life and consciousness or what happens after we die.

You give the meaning to life, not the other
way around. And where were you before
you were born. It doesn't bother anybody
not knowing that, why should bother us
where we 'go' after life's end.