Science and God

Okay, again I ask you what is your evidence that even makes it a possibility that the universe was not created?

Also, sin is a human concept it is a word we use to describe the things we do or don't do that we wish we wouldn't or that we wish we would. It is the things in our life that we feel guilt or shame about. It is a universal concept that is present in every human being and therefore obviously in every culture and society. If that person or society believes in a personal God or a God that loves us then it of course also makes sense that sin offends God who wants only the best for us. It is like in our own human families blessed with a loving father, your sin doesn't just hurt you, but also the ones who love and care for you.

Quote: FrGamble

Okay, again I ask you what is your evidence that even makes it a possibility that the universe was not created?

The universe has obviously been here forever.
You'd know that if you hadn't let your mind
be poisoned by other peoples foolish ideas.

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Also, sin is a human concept, it is a word we use to describe the things we do or don't do that we wish we wouldn't or that we wish we would. .

Sigh. No, that's your convoluted definition of
sin, the Santa is making a list version of sin.
The have you been a good girl or boy type
of sin, dumbed down sin.

The real definition, the only one that counts,
is sin is a direct violation of gods law.

1.
an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

a. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.

There is no god so there can be no disobeying
his laws. There is no sin, it's not possible. With
sin just being a concept, there no need for a
'savior' to save from ourselves. There is no need
for your religion, except to give greedy men power
over others. At doing that, it's been quite effective.

Quote: FrGamble

Actually, I have given scientific evidence that points towards the universe having a beginning. What evidence do you have that the universe was not created?

If you are talking about the big bang theory, you are still wrong, depending on how you are using the word universe this time.

The theory explains how the universe may have expanded and formed, it doesn't explain how the thing that expanded got there.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Quote: Evenbob

The universe has obviously been here forever.
You'd know that if you hadn't let your mind
be poisoned by other peoples foolish ideas.

So just to be perfectly clear, this is your OPINION!

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There is no god so there can be no disobeying
his laws.

So just to be perfectly clear, this is your OPINION!

Quote: Dalex64

If you are talking about the big bang theory, you are still wrong, depending on how you are using the word universe this time.

The theory explains how the universe may have expanded and formed, it doesn't explain how the thing that expanded got there.

Of course the scientific theory of the Big Bang doesn't explain how the Universe got here, how could it? What it does point to is that the universe is expanding from a singularity of an explosion from an infinitely small density of all matter and energy. Where that matter/energy came from is precisely the realm of philosophy, metaphysics, and religion. Logic makes it clear that this matter/energy did not just pop into being without a cause and that it did not create itself nor is it necessary and therefore not eternal.

Quote: FrGamble

Of course the scientific theory of the Big Bang doesn't explain how the Universe got here, how could it? What it does point to is that the universe is expanding from a singularity of an explosion from an infinitely small density of all matter and energy. Where that matter/energy came from is precisely the realm of philosophy, metaphysics, and religion. Logic makes it clear that this matter/energy did not just pop into being without a cause and that it did not create itself nor is it necessary and therefore not eternal.

No it does not make that clear.

Logic makes clear that there are still things that we do not know.

Logic also does not make clear that the 'cause' has to be some specific supernatural force that not coincidentally that we also do not understand.

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No it does not make that clear.

Yes it does.

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Logic makes clear that there are still things that we do not know.

Logic also does not make clear that the 'cause' has to be some specific supernatural force that not coincidentally that we also do not understand.

Both of these statements I agree with, yeah!

Quote: FrGamble

Yes it does.



Both of these statements I agree with, yeah!

If you agree with that, why do you insist that the universe had a supernatural cause?

Logic and evidence makes it clear that we do not know the cause of the universe.

Quote: FrGamble

So just to be perfectly clear, this is your OPINION!

An opinion that has a lot of truth is
it. You've never had a single chance
in your life to look at reality without
seeing it thru the eyes of your religion.

Quote: Evenbob

An opinion that has a lot of truth is
it. You've never had a single chance
in your life to look at reality without
seeing it thru the eyes of your religion.

Just a reminder that you don't know me and that what you assume about me is not true. Also can you clarify why your opinion mysteriously has "a lot of truth" in it?