Hey FrGamble!

October 1st, 2015 at 10:10:32 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
In other words, don't think for yourself,
all the thinking has been done for you. Just
shut up and obey.


This is why we can't have nice things.

This is also why people who are bigoted and prejudiced towards the Church shouldn't try interpreting Scripture.

Wizard, I do like your quote and it is valid. Ultimately the Lord is not after our minds but our hearts. He wants us to trust in Him and love Him with all our heart, not just believe in Him with our brains. However, using our brains is the first step. Maybe that is why in the chapter before the one you quote Scripture says this:

"Yes, if you call to intelligence, and to understanding raise your voice; If you seek her like silver, and like hidden treasures search her out: Then will you understand the fear of the LORD: the knowledge of God you will find; For the LORD gives wisdom, from his mouth come knowledge and understanding."
--Proverbs 2:4-6
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October 1st, 2015 at 10:58:05 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
For the LORD gives wisdom, from his mouth come knowledge and understanding."
--Proverbs 2:4-6


It's the circular thingie again. Seek wisdom,
find it here, shut up and obey it. All seeking
in the Bible leads you back to the Bible as
the only answer.

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October 2nd, 2015 at 10:49:10 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: FrGamble
Why would you say this? Hasn't it been shown over and over that atheism leads to this senseless hatred and violence?


No, you haven't shown this in anyway that's reasonable or stands to close judgement.
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October 2nd, 2015 at 10:52:19 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: FrGamble
You don't make them up because you can't change them and you feel bad when you break them or good when you follow them. If you or we made them up we could change them and we would wouldn't have such responses to how our actions correspond to the moral law.

By the way God's existence can be only deduced by reason alone.

Next.


But that's using the science! And you said that science can't prove God existence, so now I am really confused.

Furthermore, arguments on the prime mover and creator don't then led to the existence of a moral God, or require the existence to match that written in the Bible.
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October 2nd, 2015 at 12:32:37 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Furthermore, arguments on the prime mover and creator don't then led to the existence of a moral God, .


What seems to happen is, once you use
circular reason or logic or whatever to
find a god, you then blame everything
on him for anything you want. He becomes
the catch-all scapegoat. God did it,
god created it, those are gods rules, you
can't think of anything, god did all that
for you. Then you put yourself in charge
and tell others what to do, and ordain
ego centered followers to do the same.
In gods name, of course.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 2nd, 2015 at 3:49:47 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: FrGamble
By the way God's existence can be only deduced by reason alone.


Can you lead us through that?
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October 2nd, 2015 at 4:32:32 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Can you lead us through that?


He has, dozens of times.

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October 2nd, 2015 at 4:35:07 PM permalink
Nareed
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Can you lead us through that?


I'll bet you $1 you won't get a satisfactory answer. I'll also bet $10 any answer will rely on some form of faith.
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October 2nd, 2015 at 5:25:06 PM permalink
Wizard
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I'll bet you $1 you won't get a satisfactory answer.


I'll take the $1 bet. Do me proud, Padre!
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October 2nd, 2015 at 5:55:50 PM permalink
Evenbob
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I'll take the $1 bet. Do me proud, Padre!


You do realize you can't make god exist with
clever reasoning, right? If that were possible,
there would be no atheists.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.