First 100 Days of Trump

January 29th, 2017 at 9:20:18 PM permalink
stinkingliberal
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Quote: AZDuffman
Second part first, I don't see the US/NAFTA deal changing much since we had a free trade agreement before. There seems to be far more integration between US/Canada than either with Mexico. The auto industry being the best example. Though for whatever reason Canadians love Chrysler products more than here in the states.

Canada being to the left of the USA I can only imagine how much harder the millennial kids are taking things.


You're painting Canada with a pretty broad brush--they are more liberal in social policy but more conservative in customs and fiscal policy, so it's a mixed bag--but I would think they'd be pretty happy right now that whatever else might be a problem, THEY don't have a narcissistic criminal psychopath as their leader. Really, an orange man who tweets in the middle of the night, doesn't pay his taxes, and can't be bothered to READ anything? You Americans must be nuts!
January 30th, 2017 at 8:53:00 AM permalink
Nareed
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I wonder. If Golden Boy explicitly refuses to obey court rulings regarding his unconstitutional executive order limiting entry to the US, can we start impeachment proceedings based on that? Should we? If we let some high crimes slide, we'll find it more difficult to raise the accusations against trump should (when) he does something much worse.
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January 30th, 2017 at 9:14:11 AM permalink
stinkingliberal
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Quote: Nareed
I wonder. If Golden Boy explicitly refuses to obey court rulings regarding his unconstitutional executive order limiting entry to the US, can we start impeachment proceedings based on that? Should we? If we let some high crimes slide, we'll find it more difficult to raise the accusations against trump should (when) he does something much worse.


Not really a possibility, since we don't see him ordering security and enforcement personnel to ignore the court order. And long as he tacitly complies with that order by doing nothing (and security personnel follow the dictates of the court ruling), he's OK. This might be the first of a long string of unconstitutional actions, which cumulatively could get him impeached, but I really don't see that happening as long as the Nazis control all branches of government.

The only way I can ever see an impeachment happening is if a huge rift opens between Trump and the rank and file and they decide they'd be better off with Pence. So far, they're in uneasy coexistence with him. I'm not at all sure Pence would be an improvement for the country. He has a LOT of rabid right-winger positions on his resume, and isn't a scatterbrain like Trump. He might be able to actually jail abortion doctors, for example, as he has repeatedly said he would do if he had the power.
January 30th, 2017 at 10:06:38 AM permalink
buzzardknot
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For some reason I doubt that Trump will be impeached for having an intern under his desk. But then again, Bill proved that was not necessarily a bad thing. Allowed Hillary to keep her mouth shut for a while.
January 30th, 2017 at 10:10:43 AM permalink
ams288
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Then why doesn't his ban cover countries where terrorists have actually come from like Saudi Arabia and UAE?

Oh that's right, cause Donald has business interests there.


Wrong.

Alternative facts.

Fake news.


Huh? You're saying Donald doesn't have business interests in the countries that were excluded from the EO (the ones where the 9/11 terrorists came from)?

You're the guy who is always crying about being unable to have substantive conversations on these boards. When you see something you don't like and just shout "fake news!" to try to silence the topic, you're contributing to the problem. Righties have been doing that far too much lately. Although the main perpetrator is on a 6 day sabbatical...


The reason I called it those things is that your side is acting like the President purposefully left off those other countries. You have likely not read the actual EO or the restraining order, you are just listening to the spin of your side. Read carefully:

"ALL of the countries had already been designated as countries of concern by the previous administration. Six are not even mentioned by name in the order. The only one specifically actually mentioned in the text of the order is Syria. The mention of Syria has to do with the previous administration's decision to let in refugees--that was suspended indefinitely."

THIS action was based on who the previous Democrat administration considered dangerous at this time. He took those countries and put them under a temporary entry ban. The administration did not say that no other country would be added at a later date; they just acted on the seven countries that were already identified as CURRENTLY posing the biggest threat.

That isn't to say that other countries don't pose a threat now or that some never posed a threat; that discussion is still under way. Those countries weren't identified by President Obama and his folks; suddenly they should have been because Trump may have business interests there. Why were those countries not listed by President Obama, who had no business interests in them?


This article is a good debunker of your spin:

Sorry, Mr. President: The Obama Administration Did Nothing Similar to Your Immigration Ban
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
January 30th, 2017 at 10:14:21 AM permalink
buzzardknot
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That's because Obama lacked the moral fiber to do the right thing.
January 30th, 2017 at 12:28:55 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: stinkingliberal
You're painting Canada with a pretty broad brush--they are more liberal in social policy but more conservative in customs and fiscal policy, so it's a mixed bag--but I would think they'd be pretty happy right now that whatever else might be a problem, THEY don't have a narcissistic criminal psychopath as their leader. Really, an orange man who tweets in the middle of the night, doesn't pay his taxes, and can't be bothered to READ anything? You Americans must be nuts!


Canada has normally been run by Liberals (with intercessions by the Conservatives). And by Liberals, I mean the real meaning of Liberal as a centrist party, based on smaller government, protection of basic human rights and progressive social policy. Not the term 'liberal' meaning left-wing labour movement, democratic socialists or socialism that the right wing in the US use it as a swear word for.

I believe Canada is relatively unusual in having the Liberal party that -traditionally- was pretty socially progressive and generally economically conservative. Most parties tend to be the same economically and socially. I say traditionally, as for a recent period, before Trudeau, the Liberals in Canada moved much more into a 'normal' centrist position... and did terribly at the polls.

In BC, we have the BC Liberal party, who are definitely a party on the right both fiscally and socially. Just to confuse things.
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March 1st, 2017 at 2:00:23 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Holy crap, DOW swept past 21,000
today, past 21,100. Up over 300.
Somebody liked the speech last
night, and it wasn't Skeletor Nancy
Pelosi..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 1st, 2017 at 3:10:55 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: Evenbob
Holy crap, DOW swept past 21,000
today, past 21,100. Up over 300.
Somebody liked the speech last
night, and it wasn't Skeletor Nancy
Pelosi..


The DOW is in general a lousy economic indicator, it measures 30 shares with very little weighting for market cap and share price.

The good news for Republicans is that the S&P 500 is also up to an all time high as well.
It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life
March 1st, 2017 at 3:16:05 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: TheCesspit
The DOW is in general a lousy economic indicator,


Remember in 2009 when the DOW was
going up under Obama, and the press
latched onto it as absolute proof
that the economy was going gangbusters?

Of course you don't..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.