Pope Francis
September 9th, 2018 at 4:15:22 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | First of all sex is not dirty or filthy, it is a beautiful gift meant to increase the love of spouses and conceive and raise children. That is pretty awesome. You keep saying no one was unmarried in the ancient world. John the Baptist wasn't, whole sects of people weren't, and others too. I do think it was different than the norm and that is why Jesus mentions being celibate for the Kingdom and maybe why His family was worried about Him. Or maybe it was discussed in the hidden period of Jesus' life. The reality is that everything points to Him being unmarried. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
September 9th, 2018 at 8:23:00 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 | The bible claims there used be unicorns, people lived at the same time as giants, Jonah was swallowed by a whale and survived, Moses parted the Red Sea, the earth stopped spinning for a day, Jesus and Peter walked on water, the earth is 6,000 years old, and I would argue that it says that the world is flat. If you can believe all of that, I see no reason to doubt Jesus was celebate. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
September 9th, 2018 at 8:23:18 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Tell that to the Catholic women I've met all thru my life who were taught just that by the Church. That's exactly the reason Jesus has to be a virgin, and priests have to be celibate. Sex is a filthy act, beneath the truly holy. Nothing that feels that good can possibly not be a sin. "Outside of marriage sex is sinful. God made it very certain that the marriage bed must be kept pure (Hebrews 13:4). Sexual activity outside of marriage is called fornication." That's ridiculous. It's like saying eating dinner indoors is fine, but eating it outdoors is a sin. A man made ritual, like marriage, doesn't change the sex act. Sex is just another bodily function.
It's a natural function in all mammals, not a 'gift'. What is a gift, though, is your ability to twist and turn things to make one thing seem like another, and that thing over there to look like something else. You have the gift of deflection and disorintation that would make a used car salesman proud. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 10th, 2018 at 6:14:52 AM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | Jesus didn't marry and have children because He didn't want to leave anything behind. Especially a lineage.Which is also why I dismiss things like the shroud of Turin or any other artifact (including his corpse). |
September 10th, 2018 at 6:17:14 AM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | I do think that the Ark of the Covenant may still be around. It's an interesting subject. |
September 10th, 2018 at 11:04:30 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Prove it. You can't because it's a mystery, nobody knows. Logic says, of course he was married, all rabbi's were married in those days. Jews were slaves to custom. Fantasy says he wasn't, and that's the bedrock of Xtionity, fantasy. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 10th, 2018 at 2:09:25 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Jesus specifically rejected the title Rabbi. Jesus was a breaker of tradition. I really don't think you have a leg to stand on. You also don't understand the Church's teaching on sex or marriage. You are a mess. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
September 10th, 2018 at 2:13:30 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
That could be the worst analogy I have ever heard! Sex like eating is not changed where it takes place but rather what or who it is done with. Sex with your spouse is fine, but sex with anyone else is not. It really isn't that hard to understand. It's like saying eating food is fine, but eating glass and old tires is a sin. I think you can understand that.
What other function do you know of that can bring such mutual pleasure and a new life into the world. It is an amazing gift. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
September 10th, 2018 at 2:47:12 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Many Catholic marriages were recorded when girls were nine and sometimes markedly earlier. First of all dates of birth were not always known or provable, Irish priests selling nine year old girls as "maid servants'' clearly was profitable for the church but not illegal as the age of consent to marriage was nine. In the UK, it was eleven somewhere around the late 1200s. So all this discussion of pedophilia is hardly relevant since the church had ruled that a girl as young as nine was entitled to a dowry. I don't think priests are respected any more than a cop is. People just acknowledge theautority. |
September 10th, 2018 at 2:55:56 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
It depends on who you talk to. For you it's not, for many it causes not a single bit of regret or consternation. Sex with single women is how you prepare for sex with your wife. And then there's this: "Study the bible and you'll find that premarital sex is not a sin in the bible. This sin is created by Church doctrine. The early church twisted the word fornication to mean sex before marriage. The word fornication actually means 'having sex with a pagan temple prostitute'. The early Church fathers redefined the word fornication to mean all sex outside of marriage. This is how the doctrine that premarital sex is a sin started." "The Greek word for “fornication” is “porneia”, which means harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry: The NKJ renders “fornication” as “sexual immorality.” The NIV renders it as “marital unfaithfulness/infidelity.” As you can see Christianity has made up its own meaning of fornication to mean sex before marriage." What other function do you know of that can bring such mutual pleasure and a new life into the world. It is an amazing gift. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |