Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

This would not be the case for priestly celibacy.

Really? Is that why 70% of priests favor
getting rid of the vows? Even the pope
has hinted it might be time.

"He said, these were his priorities as Pope. The first of all is to change the rules for divorced couples," claims Crespo on his conversation with Francis. "The second was to eliminate the law of celibacy. He said it was not part of the doctrine of the church. It was started more than 1,000 years ago by a pope, and he considers it archaic, an antiquity which needs to be reconsidered."

http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=59123

Here is another good article:

Catholicism's Incredible Growth Story

Now, here's something I didn't know:

The man who developed the birth control pill was a devout Catholic, who regarded the pill as a natural method.

This explains much.

Quote: Nareed

Now, here's something I didn't know:
The man who developed the birth control pill was a devout Catholic, who regarded the pill as a natural method.

FrG will now say he wasn't a 'real' Catholic.
He had faulty training, or was 'fallen' somehow.

The effects of 6 years of free birth control in Colorado:

Quote:

unintended pregnancies dropped in the state by 40 percent from 2009-2013, and abortion fell by 42 percent over the same period. The program saved the state millions in public health coverage for unintended pregnancies

https://www.bustle.com/articles/95287-colorados-birth-control-experiment-proves-the-whole-country-needs-free-bc

As far as I know, no cities were consumed by fire and brimstone. Unless you consider fighting wildfires as an exercise in free will, against gods will, and it was all supposed to burn.

Quote: Dalex64

As far as I know, no cities were consumed by fire and brimstone. .

The damage to the Church is that fewer
Catholics were allowed to be born. That's
the whole point in their stance on birth
control. Always follow the money, fewer
Catholics means less money in the collection
plate.

Quote: Dalex64

The effects of 6 years of free birth control in Colorado:



https://www.bustle.com/articles/95287-colorados-birth-control-experiment-proves-the-whole-country-needs-free-bc

As far as I know, no cities were consumed by fire and brimstone. Unless you consider fighting wildfires as an exercise in free will, against gods will, and it was all supposed to burn.

I find it interesting that government continues to try to force Church groups to go against their religious beliefs to provide such contraceptives when the state seems more than willing to provide them for free.

I also wonder during this time did the rate of infidelity and adultery go up? What about the rates of sexually transmitted diseases like HPV, etc.? How many hearts were broken and bodies used just for pleasure. No matter what Evenbob says this is the real reason for the Church's opposition to contraceptives. The act of lovemaking is a sacred thing meant to be placed in the committed relationship of marriage. Artificial barriers and especially artificial cancer causing hormones have no place in a healthy natural committed and life giving relationship, especially when healthy bodies and communication can provide all the natural help we need in planning our pregnancies.

Quote: FrGamble

The act of lovemaking is a sacred thing.

No it's not, and calling it that doesn't
make it so. It's an act all animals engage
in, just like eating and other bodily
functions. It's the Church that's taken
a common bodily activity and perverted
it by denying it to the clergy. At least
the current pope is wisely calling celibacy
an archaic and outdated rule that should
be done away with.

Bob you live in bizzaro world. How does a group willingly abstaining from something pervert it? How does a culture that is suffering from a pornographic addiction not pervert what is a private and beautiful thing? Do you really want to put having sex at the same level as eating or belching. Don't be stupid. Making love is sacred, it unites couples and has the potential to create new life, awesome!

Quote: Nareed

Now, here's something I didn't know:
The man who developed the birth control pill was a devout Catholic, who regarded the pill as a natural method.
This explains much.

That is an interesting bit of trivia. He remained a devout Catholic all of his life (age 94) and though he was disappointed by the 1968 the papal encyclical Humanae Vitae written when he was age 78, he did not dream of leaving the Catholic church.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rock_(American_scientist)