Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

Don't be stupid. Making love is sacred

Sorry to hit below the belt, but
how would you know. It's
certainly not by personal experience.
Having sex is very much a bodily
function, as any married man will
tell you. It has the potential to
create new life? Big deal, look
around, the world is teeming with
new life, nothing awesome about
it. You need a reality check, and
living in your bubble it's doubtful
you'll ever get it.

It's great to have you guys back

Quote: Pacomartin

That is an interesting bit of trivia. He remained a devout Catholic all of his life (age 94) and though he was disappointed by the 1968 the papal encyclical Humanae Vitae written when he was age 78, he did not dream of leaving the Catholic church.

If a bunch of old, sexually-deprived men cannot betray their followers and impose their views of sex on women, then who can?

Quote: FrGamble

No matter what Evenbob says this is the real reason for the Church's opposition to contraceptives.

That's a lie and I'll prove it right now:

If what you say were true, then it would be ok for a faithful, healthy couple to use whatever contraception method they wanted, right? So if the woman is on the pill and the man wears a condom, and they never cheat one each other, that's perfectly fine.

Is it?

Quote: Evenbob

Sorry to hit below the belt, but
how would you know. It's
certainly not by personal experience.

Because I have a brain. You don't need personal experience of something to know how amazing it is meant to be. Maybe your personal experience hasn't been that great, but don't let that color your view of sex in general.

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It has the potential to
create new life? Big deal, look
around, the world is teeming with
new life, nothing awesome about
it.

What are you talking about? The potential to create new life is kind of a big deal! The world teeming with new life is awesome. Let's remember we are talking about another human being here. Their potential is off the charts, new human life is the biggest deal!

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You need a reality check, and
living in your bubble it's doubtful
you'll ever get it.

I need a reality check when you downplay the significance of having sex? Come on man. Is there millions of people addicted to videos of people eating something. Is there a multi-billion dollar industry around taking advantage of and forcing women to eat food on camera?

Quote: Nareed

That's a lie and I'll prove it right now:

If what you say were true, then it would be ok for a faithful, healthy couple to use whatever contraception method they wanted, right? So if the woman is on the pill and the man wears a condom, and they never cheat one each other, that's perfectly fine.

Is it?

No. The marriage act has two ends; the unity of the couple and the openness to life. With any contraception the first is diminished and the second is destroyed.

Quote: FrGamble

No. The marriage act has two ends; the unity of the couple and the openness to life.

See, you've forgotten the prevention of adultery and STDs already.

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With any contraception the first is diminished and the second is destroyed.

So having a calendar divide a couple is unity. Good to know.

And being able to wait without stress for the right time to bring a child into the world, is not being open to life.

Quote: FrGamble

I also wonder during this time did the rate of infidelity and adultery go up? What about the rates of sexually transmitted diseases like HPV, etc.? How many hearts were broken and bodies used just for pleasure. No matter what Evenbob says this is the real reason for the Church's opposition to contraceptives.

If you can find statistics on that stuff, I would be interested in seeing them.

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I find it interesting that government continues to try to force Church groups to go against their religious beliefs to provide such contraceptives when the state seems more than willing to provide them for free.

As usual, there is more than one faction at work, and more than one 'government' which is trying to do one thing or another.

This particular program was privately funded.

The government of Colorodo declined to fund the program further. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/07/colorado-iud-long-term-birth-control-success-teen-pregnancy/29818499/

Whether or not it was government sponsored for funded is beside the point - that being that contraceptive availability and use is effective in reducing unwanted teen pregnancies and abortions.

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The act of lovemaking is a sacred thing meant to be placed in the committed relationship of marriage. Artificial barriers and especially artificial cancer causing hormones have no place in a healthy natural committed and life giving relationship, especially when healthy bodies and communication can provide all the natural help we need in planning our pregnancies.

You mean cancer-preventing hormones?

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/hormones/oral-contraceptives-fact-sheet

Quote: Dalex64

You mean cancer-preventing hormones?

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/hormones/oral-contraceptives-fact-sheet

If we begin to throw the ball of responsibility for cancer, then the person at fault is the alleged creator who built it into their creation.

Somehow, though, I don't think theists of any kind are ready to admit god, literally, causes cancer.

Anyway, the church is fine with people using the pill, just not as a contraceptive:

http://www.catechism.cc/articles/QA.htm

Questions aren't numbered, it is a little more than half way down, "Can an unmarried woman, who is not sexually active, use the contraceptive pill for a medical purpose?"

So cancer is not a reason to not use the pill.

It also says that if you are using the oral contraceptive for non-contraceptive uses, you are not allowed to have sex, because it is also a contraceptive. You are also not allowed to withold sex while married except under grave circumstances, so basically if you are married you aren't allowed to reap the medical benefits of the pill.

If you are unmarried it is ok though.